Garuda's Difficulty

[Vanguard319]

The entire fight basically forces you to speed run it in order to win, and as you said people just don't have the capability or gear to pull it off. Frankly if they just lowered the minimum amount of pillars needed to survive Ariel Blast and perhaps tone down her Mistral moves a few hundred points of damage or at least remove the instacast post Ariel Blast so people could actually dodge I think she would be much more manageable for less hardcore groups.

They could fix the fight easier than that, it's the sheer number of plumes and how much health they have. They could make it more accessible by just reducing the health of the plumes, or reducing thier number. I'd think the former would be the more preferable of the two, it would also make it more forgiving in regards to lag/player error.

[Lux_Rayna]

yes, and like I said, the parties I've been in have the skill, and most have excellent gear as well, finally a well crafted fight should NEVER require you to have the best gear available, it should be enough to provide a challenge, not a one-sided curbstomp battle for either the players, or the boss.

No. They. Do. Not. If they did you would be winning; they aren't winning because they aren't good enough, at least as far as doing Garuda. Its not the fight its *your party*. Its okay to admit it, especially if you all are very well-geared there is really no excuse for failing outside of lacking the skill necessary. Apparently your party lacks the skill necessary, so get better and try it again another time.

You dont need the best gear possible. I'll re-iterate, I've heard of parties doing it in single-melds. Far from the best possible. I've seen a DRG do really well with minimal gear. You can't win with trash gear, but you can win with decent gear, like a full set of single-melds. AF is trash, because it doesn't do anything for your stats at all really..minus a piece or two that = a single meld. Just own up that your party doesn't have the skills to win. You're doing it wrong. Or at the very least, you're doing it right, but not well enough. Pick one, but the fault lies with the skills of your party..not Garuda.

[Taika]

Our LS is currently learning how to win the fight and we've made progress on every run we've had. You don't have to have the best gear to win the fight, that's for sure. We got through Aerial Blast on our first run (not on first try though), then learned how to do more dmg in phase 1 and survive the phase 2. On our last runs we've gotten to the clone part and have struggled with killing the melee clone and evading the tornados which we didn't get until 3 times in a row on our latest run. We're slowly getting there and it's been a great project for us as a group.

Even though I haven't killed her yet I can say you don't really need to have the best gear to beat the fight. Our LS is very casual, we don't have a single dark light piece and our gear is single or double melded. You do need to be able to hit her and hit her hard enough to get through AB and kill the clones fast enough, but that really isn't too difficult to achieve. What you need the most is for everyone to know what they're doing and be able to follow the strategy and do their best.

Also, I do see other groups there trying the fight and even winning. People are doing this, but mostly in linkshells (as it takes time to learn and most PUGs aren't that cooperative).

In short: There's nothing wrong with the fight difficulty, it definitely shouldn't be nerfed, and if your group really is that well geared and skilled you just haven't taken enough time to learn the strategy. Practice, practice, practice.

[Lux_Rayna]

The entire fight basically forces you to speed run it in order to win, and as you said people just don't have the capability or gear to pull it off. Frankly if they just lowered the minimum amount of pillars needed to survive Ariel Blast and perhaps tone down her Mistral moves a few hundred points of damage or at least remove the instacast post Ariel Blast so people could actually dodge I think she would be much more manageable for less hardcore groups.

Difference of opinion here, but I think primals should be hard. I mean dungeons should allow for less hardcore ppl to win, but a primal is an optional standalone boss that, given its lore, should not be "for everyone". I think Garuda is great because it does primals justice, and it provides a great optional challenge.

[Zezlar]

If you honestly believe you need double melds or Darklight to defeat Garuda, you're lying to yourself. It's a fight based on skill. The manaburn was based on gear. Sure the doubles and Darklight help, but they are in no way shape or form necessary.

[Noir]

They could fix the fight easier than that, it's the sheer number of plumes and how much health they have. They could make it more accessible by just reducing the health of the plumes, or reducing thier number. I'd think the former would be the more preferable of the two, it would also make it more forgiving in regards to lag/player error.

Too bad steel cyclone was nerfed right? Ooppps. Blame the paladins criers! If cyclone was like before, it wouldn't be hard to take plumes.

[ShadowCadja]

yes, and like I said, the parties I've been in have the skill, and most have excellent gear as well, finally a well crafted fight should NEVER require you to have the best gear available, it should be enough to provide a challenge, not a one-sided curbstomp battle for either the players, or the boss.

My no-melds nor DL bard and my BLMs friends with single meld would like to have a talk with you~

[morpheus]

I have been in some very skilled parties, and still have yet to get a win, So I doubt it has anything to do with a party's skill

Sounds like they weren't skilled enough

[Vanguard319]

Difference of opinion here, but I think primals should be hard. I mean dungeons should allow for less hardcore ppl to win, but a primal is an optional standalone boss that, given its lore, should not be "for everyone". I think Garuda is great because it does primals justice, and it provides a great optional challenge.

I don't think anyone is arguing that primals shouldn't be hard, the issue is the learning curve: If it is accessable enough that players can eventually beat it after much trial and error, then the devs have done thier job well. The problem is that Garuda ISN'T a learning curve, it's a sheer cliff to rival EVE Online. Sword put it best, it's a speed run where you either succeed or fail, and because it's a speed run, there is no time to evaluate where you're messing up, and so you will almost always fail. That alone suggests that the curve needs adjustment.

[Babydoll]

i don't like how it can't be done with pick ups. I dont do static's because I like meeting and playing with new people. They can keep it difficult but make it so I can log in, make a quick group and do stuff. :/