The Allagans and Space (MSQ Spoilers)

[Karious]

I have questions about the Allagans I can't really find online through searching and don't recall finding answers for in-game.

We know that the Allagans were a spacefaring society, but this doesn't tell us much about their actions in space. We only really know about Dalamud and the Monitoring ship that crashed on the moon. There are plenty of clues in Azys Lla regarding their spacefaring abilities, such as Helix being a spaceport of sorts; and various sites such as the Hypersteller Downconverter and the Alpha Comm Beacon that seem to be used for communicating with space; Either with their own ships or for sending out and receiving transmissions elsewhere from space.

Heck even the Big fish in the Hyperstellar Downconverter ( A fish named Ceti ) with the description reading "Modern naturalist circles were positively abuzz following the discovery of an Allagan tomestone which contained an article on an oliphant's trunk with a maw so sensitive, that it was believed the wavekin could detect activity in the very heavens. Further study of the work however led to the conclusion that the piece was satire.", doesn't this vaguely mirror Hermes studies on Celestial Aether?

The Allagans put Dalamud in space around the moon. Did they just not notice Zodiark's prison on the moon? Did they not go "Gee whiz that's a weird tower on the moon..." Like even Golbez was able to just walk to the moon and kill the watcher.

The Allagans were aware of the Omicrons, even if Omega itself couldn't remember where it came from, it was obviously an advanced weapon FROM SPACE, and they even used it against the Meracydians in the second invasion since they knew Omega was designed to fight dragons and they knew dragons were aliens too. So.. Were they aware of other alien civilizations? All life in the universe was extinguished (as far as we know) by modern times; but this was like 6000 years ago; and Meteion did start her song of oblivion like 12k years ago.. sooo...??? Surely there are other aether-rich worlds in space that were able to avoid destruction.

My main questions being... Were the Allagans aware of what was going on in the Universe with Meteion? Did they send out ships into space? Did they know that everything was dead by that point? Did they intercept Meteions message in space? Did the Final Days sadness ray affect ships in space? Why didn't Bahamut inside of Dalamud get Final Days'd? He might be a primal but primals are still living creatures created with creation magic right? Did his unending rage keep him from getting sadness'd?

This is why we need a Meracydia expansion. Think of all the metal sci-fi lore we could be getting!! Also please help me find answers to these questions.

[ForsakenRoe]

I'd imagine that, given that the Allagans were around in the 3rd era and we're in the 7th, the aether powering the brands containing Zodiark was much stronger back then. Potentially so much so, that rather than just sealing him, it erected a barrier around the moon to stop anyone even approaching. You can see there's a crashed Allagan ship on the moon, perhaps it tried to land there and was destroyed by the barrier?

As for primals, we've already been told that Aether is effectively a shield against Dynamis's effects. Being as the primal is 100% made of aether, it'd be completely immune to turning. I also imagine that they cannot feel emotions, just 'simulate' it based on the beliefs of their summoners. So Bahamut is not actually angry, he's just projecting the anger of the dragons that summoned him, etc

[Jeeqbit]

I never really thought about any of that but they are good points.

Most likely this protection from Zodiark extended into the atmosphere around the world, especially with Zodiark being in the atmosphere on the moon.

You suggested that other worlds may have survived, but the point being made in EW is that every other world did not survive. They all sought perfection and this goal led to their destruction, so the solution was an imperfect world. Although the possibility is introduced that the Meitions may have influenced said destruction by their mere presence and posing certain questions to them.

[TempusFinis]

The Allagan Empire is an extremely advanced civilization that could traverse both time and space....not to mention cloning and combining different lifeforms they had encountered.

We don't know if any of the events concerning Etherys had anything to do with the Allags and their research. The civilization could very well have had a completely independent objective, and just researching the events unfolding for their own independent purposes...

Also, the Allags designed a Proto-Alexander (The Twinning Dungeon) in a crystal tower from an alternate future timeline (8th Umbral Calamity).

That being said, I am extremely excited about Dawntrail and seeing more of the FF14 story unfold.

[Bonoki]

Wasn't it also established that Emet was the founder of the Allagans and then later Garlemond? I think it's pretty safe to say the acians were the source if Allagans tech. If the Ascians didn't know about Meteion than neither did the Allagans. The Ascians might have also interfered with the Allagan crash to prevent any human life from finding Zodiark in his inperfect form. Arbert was physically on the Moon in HW and knew nothing of the Tower or Zodiark.

[Saraide]

The Allagan Empire is an extremely advanced civilization that could traverse both time and space....not to mention cloning and combining different lifeforms they had encountered.

We don't know if any of the events concerning Etherys had anything to do with the Allags and their research. The civilization could very well have had a completely independent objective, and just researching the events unfolding for their own independent purposes...

Also, the Allags designed a Proto-Alexander (The Twinning Dungeon) in a crystal tower from an alternate future timeline (8th Umbral Calamity).

That being said, I am extremely excited about Dawntrail and seeing more of the FF14 story unfold.

The crystal tower in the first is not simply a product of allagan design but the further work of the garland ironworks of the future. They learned from the defeats of omega and alexander at the hand of the WoL how to traverse time and space. The allagans didnt know how to do that.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Also, the Allags designed a Proto-Alexander (The Twinning Dungeon) in a crystal tower from an alternate future timeline (8th Umbral Calamity).

No, they didn't. The Garland Ironworks of the 8th Calamity timeline designed the Tycoon based on data from Alexander and Omega, then used the Crystal Tower as a power source.

[TempusFinis]

I still consider G'raha Tia or the 'Crystal Exarch' as Allag. And yes, both Cid & an Allag (Crystal Exarch) created a time traveling solution for the 8th Umbral Calamity using Omega & Alexander research.

[Saraide]

I still consider G'raha Tia or the 'Crystal Exarch' as Allag. And yes, both Cid & an Allag (Crystal Exarch) created a time traveling solution for the 8th Umbral Calamity using Omega & Alexander research.

Now that's just flat out wrong. You said the allagan empire could do that. That empire hasnt existed for a very long time and neither cid nor graha are part of it.

[TempusFinis]

The Crystal Towers do not operate without the presence of Allags. For the 8th Umbral Calamity, the presence of G'raha Tia allowed Cid to do his research on the alternate timeline.

Without the presence of any Allags, the Crystal Towers become functionless for security reasons. To say the Allagan Empire does not exist, we need to remember that Amon's clone casted a powerful spell to stop the flow of time within the tower, lulling the surviving Allags and clones inside into a deep slumber.

Amon's clone put a part of the Allagan Empire to sleep inside the crystal tower during the Calamity of Earth (4th Umbral Calamity).

We only know of G'raha Tia, but there may be others inside the tower in a deep slumber.