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Thread: Bard buffs

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    Bard buffs

    Don't get me wrong, i'm not gonna complain for anything lowering that absurd gap between melees and second rate dps jobs like ranged physical, rdm or smn, but they buffed bard, out of all the rphys jobs? Literally the job that's already ahead of mch and dnc?

    Is SE trying to reinflate the amount of bard players in savage with this or something?
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    That's what you get when you update your game based on KPIs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valence View Post
    Don't get me wrong, i'm not gonna complain for anything lowering that absurd gap between melees and second rate dps jobs like ranged physical, rdm or smn, but they buffed bard, out of all the rphys jobs? Literally the job that's already ahead of mch and dnc?

    Is SE trying to reinflate the amount of bard players in savage with this or something?
    Probably trying to attract players to play Bard again in general. Personally, I don't see very many at all when doing roulettes and whilst I did enjoy playing it myself, I do find it hard to justify as I slightly prefer Dancer and Dancer does something similar, but does it better.
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    I think they balance based on popularity and not actual stats.

    In which a lot of players, including myself stay away from BRD entirely for aesthetic reasons. And on the high end, DNC is likely going to always be the meta phys range for its raidbuffs and abilitiy to buff the dps jobs SE actually likes.
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    Yeah, it’s definitely about getting more people to play the job than actually buffing the job lol. I mean, I’m grateful for the buff I guess, but I think people’s problems with Bard go bit deeper than personal dps, since it’s always been fairly decent overall (I think?)
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    Last edited by Connor; 10-03-2023 at 02:02 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    I think they balance based on popularity and not actual stats.

    In which a lot of players, including myself stay away from BRD entirely for aesthetic reasons. And on the high end, DNC is likely going to always be the meta phys range for its raidbuffs and abilitiy to buff the dps jobs SE actually likes.
    That's not how I understand meta, but perhaps for a lot of people meta actually means padding, I guess.

    Because otherwise, even before this buff, BRD is outpacing both DNC and MCH on sheer party damage results.

    I don't buy the aesthetic reason completely, or perhaps there has been a drastic change in mentalities with that new fad of people asking for a hunter with bow archetype instead of a music with bow archetype. But BRD enjoyed very high numbers in past expansion, with the same core mechanics since Stormblood. Or perhaps people are getting bored of the lack of novelty, added to a few debatable changes? Hell if I know. BLM I do understand, but BRD, it's beyond me.
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    As a BRD player, I was only half expecting buffs in this patch so I'm not complaining lol

    Numberswise, it seemed Fine™, but in terms of job feel It should have a lot more firepower than it does now in my honest, but also probably totally biased opinion. BRD uses a bow, it should feel lethal. BRD also uses music, and it should feel as powerful as the game's soundtrack. Let DNC be a cheerleader, and make BRD a rockstar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    I think they balance based on popularity and not actual stats.

    In which a lot of players, including myself stay away from BRD entirely for aesthetic reasons. And on the high end, DNC is likely going to always be the meta phys range for its raidbuffs and abilitiy to buff the dps jobs SE actually likes.
    If this were true, monk would have been by far the top damage dealing job in the game since Heavensward. It has a long history of being the least played job in the game.
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    i play monk for pve and BRD for pvp , i use to play monk all round until the change they the pvp ui skills for crystalline conflict , when i pvp to much i get lost in my skill rotation when i start doing pve content. but it ok , but with BRD i find it lacking not in dps but in output of how quick it can deal dps in a short time , while if you had a monk and a BRD in the Arena, in a one on one fight you would have to be a skill player with a BRD to pull a win off , while a monk wouldn't have to lift a finger. but if these changes for BRD are only for pve i don't see the point, but only to get more player playing them

    and I like to pvp with my BRD more because i like a challenge, since i dont have a Limit brake that can hit 51000 , it more satisfying downing someone that can.
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    Last edited by lennit; 10-05-2023 at 03:37 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    And on the high end, DNC is likely going to always be the meta phys range for its raidbuffs and abilitiy to buff the dps jobs SE actually likes.
    If DNC really did have a significant advantage in/from dancing for BLM/SAM in a given meta comp... wouldn't its 6.4 top rankings noticeably eclipse BRD, instead of BRD being ahead of it?

    While we should probably be including the difference in buff exploitation, too, whereby MCH might even pull slightly ahead of BRD, even then it seems to make little sense to leave DNC as low as it is while buffing BRD alone.
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