PVP in this game isnt fun

[DendrielConcade]

Its so hard to like meaningfully state changes for PvP when you genuinely think its poor because no matter how grand, interesting, reasonable and viable your suggestions are, they just won't show up. I've only been playing since 5.1 and as far as I've heard from older PvP players here and there, its been this song and dance for an age of PvP balance and it just won't happen without a more meaningful PvP Balance Dev behind it. Frankly I have issues with PvP, have thought on it long and hard and can make my own suggestions as a vent piece and that's about it, I get to suffer PvP for a chunk of time for a really nice set of armor and basically drop it like it doesn't exist.

[Teno]

Its so hard to like meaningfully state changes for PvP when you genuinely think its poor because no matter how grand, interesting, reasonable and viable your suggestions are, they just won't show up. I've only been playing since 5.1 and as far as I've heard from older PvP players here and there, its been this song and dance for an age of PvP balance and it just won't happen without a more meaningful PvP Balance Dev behind it. Frankly I have issues with PvP, have thought on it long and hard and can make my own suggestions as a vent piece and that's about it, I get to suffer PvP for a chunk of time for a really nice set of armor and basically drop it like it doesn't exist.

PvP takes time to learn since it's so different. "Suffering" games just for glamour doesn't teach you how to get better nor do you feel incentivized to do so. It may just not be for you ?


In regards to what others say, Frontlines has had the same queue windows for years at this point. If anything they need to finally do something with RW.

[EmilySummerstar]

You are right, there are different ways they can address the issue. Just a flat out nerf probably isn't the answer. Nerfs tend to have unintended consequences and leave players feeling like creativity developing badass combos is discouraged. They should consider what is actually causing the frustration and deal with mitigating those frustrating circumstances. Combinations like DRK/AST combo can bring utter devastation but would not be as frustrating if you weren't perpetually locked. In most cases, if your team gets caught in it carelessly, you just have to accept that you're all going to die.

Instead of nerfs, I would prefer tools that more effectively counters the combo if members on a team are quick enough.

[Twooty]

Love complaint threads.

If the game mode isn't fun, then don't play it. It doesn't get any simpler than that.

The fact that you have made the self-imposed decision to become a collector means you will inevitably end up doing tasks that you might find monotonous or discomfort doing. That can also include the circus that you might find PvP to be, and boy do I have to tell you that you are not its conductor so enjoy the show whilst you take part in it. You are allowed to stop the madness of collecting at any moment, but don't let an internet stranger tell you what to do, because at the end of the day, you have full autonomy and life is all about the decisions you make with the options you have.

Decide what you want to do, and stay in control.

[Kyrj]

I really want to like PvP in this game but the lag that's baked into the game doesn't allow for PvP type plays. Have you ever sat down and actually watched a frontline fight? I've seen WARs try to set up kills on healers by knocking them into their team and 90% of the time the healer gets knocked back into the healer's team because on their screen they were already behind the WAR. If by some miracle SE pulls their head from their ass and fixes the baked in latency issue, then yeah I'm 100% on board with PvP.

[Mawlzy]

I really want to like PvP in this game but the lag that's baked into the game doesn't allow for PvP type plays. Have you ever sat down and actually watched a frontline fight? I've seen WARs try to set up kills on healers by knocking them into their team and 90% of the time the healer gets knocked back into the healer's team because on their screen they were already behind the WAR. If by some miracle SE pulls their head from their ass and fixes the baked in latency issue, then yeah I'm 100% on board with PvP.

I view the latency issues as making FL a sort of PvP variant. To some extent you can anticipate the latency in certain plays, but it's far from ideal and does make the whole experience feel like jello wrestling.

[VerdeLuck]

Playing casual Frontlines and CC really is a strange thing, since there's no type of skill based matchmaking to keep the experienced players out of the newbie games, and a lot of PvP players in this game can't really "turn it off" so to speak, in terms of they are always trying their 100% hardest to win at all times.
It creates a situation where coming in as a new player trying these modes out, you feel like you're just fodder and being farmed for battle high in frontlines, and in casual CC, it feels like you're constantly being rolled and spawncamped without learning a thing.

It's definitely not a fun situation but I really don't know how to correct it other than to implement some type of primitive SBMM to try to avoid this, since you aren't going to take the type of edgelord newbie stomping attitude out of the PvP players. It's something I've had issues in the past with fighting games that are eitehr underpopulated or lack SBMM as well.
You load in, get rolled, feel like you learned nothing, queue up again, get rolled, etc, and after a certain point you just get demoralized and stop queueing.

Obviously from the responses in this thread the answer is "just stop queueing", which is definitely an answer, but if SE wants people to try the mode and queue for it without it becoming another niche mode you need to sync queues for to get a match, having that type of attitude that pushes newbies out really isn't a good one to have.

[Oizen]

You can't really make a game around stun spam and stun chaining into a fun experience, its going to feel terrible and frustrating to play.
And it doesn't matter how many small ineffective potency changes you make, the problem will always be the omnipresence of stuns, and the best counter to stuns to to stun first. Guard is too limited, Purify is too janky and hilariously specific in how it works.

Stuns are king, and they're not fun. Funny enough for how much similarities the new PVP system draws from Overwatch, it fell into the exact same pitfalls that game did that made it into a joke.

[DeathNoodles]

PVP nowadays is leagues better than it used to be. I think they're acknowledging there is a big pvp community and are now making efforts to change things.

[Apeman]

PVP nowadays is leagues better than it used to be. I think they're acknowledging there is a big pvp community and are now making efforts to change things.

As long as you exclude Frontlines then maybe? Frontlines is absolute garbage at the moment.