So when is AST getting nerfed in Frontline

[Scintilla]

I don't think the solution to a broken issue is to create more problems. Removing the ability to do pre-mades does make it harder for players to effectively do stuff like DRK+DRG, yet you can still do that even without a pre-made. You don't fix the actual issue, you just make it harder to do. The problem still exists, and now I can't just do a chill game with my friends where we just play for fun, because of a lazy fix that didn't actually do anything.

A multitude of problems contribute to the situation, including: class imbalances (DRK, in particular), premade parties (coordinating attacks to maximize damage whilst hindering any attempts to stop/prevent it), player attitude (defeatism upon realising they're against a premade).

I enjoy playing with friends and would rather a different solution than just to ban all parties and make it a solo queue, but if that's what's needed to prevent premade teams (as they will no longer be able to queue together and guarantee being in the same team consistently), then I will go with it. Premades have become far too much of an issue to ignore any longer and to let them continue will only push casual / solo players further away from FLs.

Being able to coordinate with people is obviously an advantage, and being able to do so with people in a pre-made is also much easier. It still doesn't change the fact that you are still able to do so with or without a pre-made. I'd argue that being able to coordinate with the other 20-23 randoms in your alliance is much better than an individual pre-made. If you have a game where you just have some guy who can easily just do callouts to tell the entire alliance where to go, that is far more effective than a 4 man pre-made coordinating an LB push to win one fight every 90s at most.

Some random teams are excellent at coordinating their attacks but, regardless of how good they are, they still do not come remotely close to the coordination and advantage that is obtained by premades. I totally disagree with your suggestion that a random team can achieve the same or better results than a good premade. A bad one, perhaps. But not a good one.

Because even with how annoying it is to go up against those people, those 4 players can't possibly carry an entire team to victory if no one is actually playing objectives and farming BH off of the leading team.

I've covered the names of all for anonymity, but I don't need to point out which are the premade.

(I would add - this in an Onsal Hakair match which didn't have too much time spent in the centre platform, so most of this was obtained on quite open areas of the map.
Now imagine what the scores would be in somewhere like Fields of Glory or in a Onsal Hakair match which did have lots of time on the centre platform.)

[Astralrisk]

A multitude of problems contribute to the situation, including: class imbalances (DRK, in particular), premade parties (coordinating attacks to maximize damage whilst hindering any attempts to stop/prevent it), player attitude (defeatism upon realising they're against a premade).

I enjoy playing with friends and would rather a different solution than just to ban all parties and make it a solo queue, but if that's what's needed to prevent premade teams (as they will no longer be able to queue together and guarantee being in the same team consistently), then I will go with it. Premades have become far too much of an issue to ignore any longer and to let them continue will only push casual / solo players further away from FLs

I still don't think this is a great solution to ban them for a more "balanced" game, since you can solve the issue in a lot better ways. When problems occur in other games with groups of players abusing the meta and make the game worse when playing against them, devs don't make it harder by removing the ability to play with your friends across the entire player base. Instead, they look at what those players are using to abuse the game and remove that instead. I think your image proves the point more of the issue being the meta just being dominated by how strong jobs like DRG/DRK/AST are rather than a pre-made. Especially since you don't need to be in a pre-made to abuse the meta, it just gets worse in that enviorment.

Some random teams are excellent at coordinating their attacks but, regardless of how good they are, they still do not come remotely close to the coordination and advantage that is obtained by premades. I totally disagree with your suggestion that a random team can achieve the same or better results than a good premade. A bad one, perhaps. But not a good one.

I agree that a pre-made is overall better, especially a good one. As said before though, that's just been a common thing in multiplayer games since forever. Being able to talk to and coordinate with a competent player directly and personally has always existed. Yet, no games have gone out of there way to try and keep that from happening, and I don't understand why the opposite has to be the case in this game. . This is an Massive Multiplayer Online game, where having the ability to play with others of your choosing is important. Removing that ability would just make playing the mode worse, and might not even fix the issues with the mode since you can just queue sync and hope your on the same team.