Can we insert negative consequences for stacking jobs in FL?

[Xylira]

How do you balance anything when you have players who are already good at the game doing 50% more damage and healing than a new player?

You forgot that they also have 50% more health, so they can survive burst damage a lot easier as well.

But yeah, Battle High really does not work well with the PvP rework. Burst damage is so much more important now, which battle high gives a massive advantage to in both dealing and surviving. High BH players can easily two shot low BH players in many circumstances, and also survive retaliation a lot more easily such as DRK being able to quickly heal themselves up by a significantly larger amount, Dragoons getting an even bigger damage shield with skyshatter, etc.

In many cases it's downright futile for a low BH player to even attack a high BH player because the high BH player can easily keep themselves near full health with recuperate. The only chance to take them down is to dogpile them and stunlock them with CC. Which good luck doing that if they're all together in a death ball with most of them BH4-5.

[kayll]

You forgot that they also have 50% more health, so they can survive burst damage a lot easier as well.

Pretty sure BH doesn't give any increase to HP or Defense, only Damage and Healing including Recuperate.

[Xylira]

Pretty sure BH doesn't give any increase to HP or Defense, only Damage and Healing including Recuperate.

I could have sworn it did, it always feels like an uphill battle trying to take out high BH players compared to lower BH players. Might just be that shields and healing scale so significantly with it, which again is an issue with recuperate and how many more classes get shields.

[kayll]

I could have sworn it did, it always feels like an uphill battle trying to take out high BH players compared to lower BH players. Might just be that shields and healing scale so significantly with it, which again is an issue with recuperate and how many more classes get shields.

Its probably cause melee have an innate 50% less damage taken so they tend to die less and keep BH, while ranged only have 25% less damage taken, and RDM and DNC have 35%.

[Valence]

I could have sworn it did, it always feels like an uphill battle trying to take out high BH players compared to lower BH players. Might just be that shields and healing scale so significantly with it, which again is an issue with recuperate and how many more classes get shields.

It's just the skill difference, and I'm not even trying to be edgy or elitist about it. They're hard to kill because they use their defensive toolkit correctly at the proper time, as well as positioning with a lot more care and thought, especially since the pvp rework they can't just bring their pocket healer with Rescue, or Fetter Ward their way out of any trap. It is however possible that recuperate gets buffed by it though, haven't really paid attention.

[Wilford111]

The devs should prevent Battle High for multiple jobs in the same party lol

[Astralrisk]

The devs should prevent Battle High for multiple jobs in the same party lol

How would that work when you have two people who queue up separately but are on the same job? You can't just punish a player because someone choose to play the same job as you.

[Zofian]

Make it so that once you are KO'd, you cannot respawn into the same job and must change to another to trigger the respawn for your next frontlines 'life'. Existing abusers won't quick-throw that 2nd job life to then respawn back into the first, because they would lose battle high (perhaps make it so you lose ALL battle high from now on too). To make this fair, limit break bar no longer gets reset when changing jobs. Players must now have at least 2 jobs unlocked in order to use frontlines etc.

[Astralrisk]

Make it so that once you are KO'd, you cannot respawn into the same job and must change to another to trigger the respawn for your next frontlines 'life'. Existing abusers won't quick-throw that 2nd job life to then respawn back into the first, because they would lose battle high (perhaps make it so you lose ALL battle high from now on too). To make this fair, limit break bar no longer gets reset when changing jobs. Players must now have at least 2 jobs unlocked in order to use frontlines etc.

What if a player has only one job unlocked?

Edit: I missed the part at the end where it said "you must have 2 jobs unlocked". Forcing players to unlock and play another job when they might not want to do it, just to be able to play the game is just really bad and not fun at all.

[Elysium77]

Can you people stop crying and get good thanks!