Is Endwalkers alliance raid too easy?

[ZephyrMenodora]

The first trash pull almost wiped my group cause none of my healers expected so many explosions at once. Otherwise it wasn't super hard, granted I have tank privilege on my side.

First trash pull wiped our group 3, none of them expected it.

Being a tank is what I usually do since you can run around with 8 stacks and it doesn't matter, but I didn't feel like waiting a half hour last night since I already was on way too long last night doing the MSQ.

[ForteNightshade]

Absolutely

I've mentioned this elsewhere but I've survived getting hit by multiple mechanics on a DPS. Almost none of the mechanics have any teeth to them. Most are also incredibly basic, and the few that aren't hardly get a chance to shine considering how long the bosses stay in tutorial mode. Eulogia sits still for 22 seconds when borrowing Thaliak's tile mechanic. 22 seconds where the boss does nothing except look pretty. Why is Llymlaen having to show us how in/out or left/right mechanics work? We're level 90 yet several of the mechanics seemingly act as though players are seeing them for the first time. Nophica back in Europhsyne takes a whole 5 minutes before she does a simple tank buster.

On the whole I don't dislike the raids but they're absurdly undertuned and don't seem to have any interest in making three separate alliances feel necessary. Everything is simple "dodge this, don't stand here." There's better than Nier but that was never a high bar to begin with.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

People complained about the nier raids being damage sponges. So they over corrected.

[CaedemSanguis]

I like doing very hard content, week1 savages, all ultimates, etc

And for the 24man raid, I think it's more about "having fun in executing the mechanics" rather than "it's too easy", I dont think that not having a single wipe is an issue

[Saraide]

Groups wiping isnt what I use as fun meter but on the last one I think the mechanics could come in a big more quickly all things considered.

[Zairava]

Yes.

The tuning for them this expansion has been terrible. Like, I have to try harder in msq dungeons terrible.

We have an overwhelming amount of party utility skills to reduce incoming damage, not even including feint/addle. So the already low damage intake just makes things hit like a wet paper towel.

There's no alliance specific mechanics, no party coordination, no raw difficulty.

They came nowhere near to the right difficulty for both parties like they did with Ivalice. Challenging, but when you get the clear, it's satisfying. It feels rewarding, like you EARNED those clears. With the EW alliance raids you are lucky to see even one wipe, people would legitimately need to be people who level boosted and story skipped and/or didn't even try to learn anything in their time playing to make it remotely challenging.

They used to serve as a solid middle ground that served as a stepping stone between normal mode and EX, but the Endwalker alliance raids so far have just been msq dungeon boss rushes with a different coat of paint. All spectacle and no substance.

For the record, the new trial even on Normal mode is fantastically designed. It should be looked at as a golden standard for trials and raids moving forward. It's fun, it has challenge and teeth to it. It felt like I genuinely earned that win despite not dying (Tank privilege, I would have died otherwise), it somehow kept me on my toes and engaged even with the current state of DRK being a snoozefest outside of burst windows.

[Troxbark]

The first trash pull almost wiped my group cause none of my healers expected so many explosions at once. Otherwise it wasn't super hard, granted I have tank privilege on my side.

*drops lillybell*

pfew. Back to watching youtube.

[ElysiumDragon]

I suspect it's a mix of the Ivalice Raids being overtuned for group responsibility, the lenient ilvl requirement, and overcorrection from Nier bosses being damage sponges. You'll still die if you disregard mechanics, you just won't take 23 other people with you.

[Amenara]

*drops lillybell*

pfew. Back to watching youtube.

Mhm, subsequent runs will obviously be a lot easier, but it was just unexpected to have that much aoe damage from trash in an alliance raid since it was barely an hour after patch launch and no one had any idea what to expect.

[Noox-115]

It is but I am always surprised when I MT a EW alliance raid and that after all this time other tanks still don't know what a Tank stack marker is. The number of times that I had to use Living Dead to survive this mech is insane I happens one or two times per raid. So last time I got tired pop up Living dead sprint across the map where one of the tank was and forced him to take it with me. Call me toxic if you want I just play how the game is supposed to be