Alliance Raid Now iLvl Locked, Why??

[TomsYoungerBro]

Incorrect. If you are someone who didnt ilvl cheese, those people would push you towards other araids by stealing the CT spots for themselves. If someone had queued for other araids in the first place of course.

Incorrect. If you've done leveling roulette with a stack of 4 you would understand that if 24 people don't queue up a specific raid, the roulette itself will assign a random duty from the list. If 24 people are selected that did not select a particular raid (which is alot of the time due to the popularity of dailies), the ilvl cheeser would force CT.


Edit to add in other responses:

It can only do so much when the roulette is naturally skewed to favor CT, which remains the only required raids and the lowest levels ones.

Already responded to this above. The change will clearly favor the probability of getting alliance raids outside of CT

This is off topic. The problem outlined is that the roulette ilvl check doesn't take into account how you get gear. A player can easily outlevel the MSQ, which tends to limit gearing options. This creates a problem where a player can lock themselves out of the roulette, which is bad design. That is what people are trying to get fixed.
This doesn't solve the problem. The ilvl system is still bad design that can lock players out of content. They shouldn't have to spend money on gear they don't need, if they even have the money. There is also no guarantee that a player knows where to get gear anyway.
Instead of blindly trying to shoot down legitimate objections, why not at least try to see the glaring issues with the ilvl check?

It is not bad design when you can literally use the MB to buy gear? The game already gives these players that want to continually do AR roulette a viable solution. "They shouldn't have to spend money on gear they don't need". You don't need to do AR roulette, but if you want to, there is the MB . There is no issue with the ilvl check change. It is working as intended, and the whining from certain parts of the playerbase is proving that.

Except this is when the crafted gear becomes upgradable and may actually rise in value, making it even harder to obtain. You're also assuming that player have nothing else to spend gil on.

Then buy it right before the patch? It's not like this gear hasn't been out there for almost 20 weeks or anything lmao.

[PyurBlue]

This is really such an incredibly fringe situation, the person who is heavily overleveled on one job vs their MSQ progression, and somehow wants to run roulettes on that job instead of other jobs in the same role.

Yes, the oh so rare situation where a Road to X boosted new character is tens of levels beyond the MSQ. So rare that it came up in NN just yesterday. And imagine such people queuing for content in a game they pay money for, in a way that they enjoy.

Putting all that aside, even if we just assumed without reason that this never happens, nothing changes. The ilvl restriction was still badly implemented, and fixing it doesn't have to involve creating problems for anyone else. You may not care very much for the quality of the game, but that thankfully isn't a universal opinion.

Is it possible that instead of there being so many people in this fringe situation, people are just asking for this because they have alts at level 50 they want to duo queue with to force CT without them leveling too much from roulettes and being locked out? Something to think about.
I would have never thought people would purposefully strip off all their gear to queue either but here we are. Some people are desperate to never run anything beyond level 50 Crystal Tower and I really don't think we should cater to those people. Especially not when the queues for newer raids suffer.

Why are you so obsessed with some kind of petty revenge, to the point where you'd rather actively hurt the game than consider improving it. You do realize how backwards that is don't you? SE tried to control roulette queueing with an unintentionally flawed system that biased AR roulette toward CT, and then also allowed player to influence the roulette outcomes. While both of these things may have been unintentional, nothing here was against the rules of the game. A proper fix would involve catering to everyone, not trying to punish people who were enjoying their game the wrong way, at least according to you.

One such fix is separating CT from the rest of the raids, and yes it would give the people favoring that content what they want. Not that anyone should care since it also satisfies the wants of the other side that never want to see CT again, and let's admit it, it's much better at that than the current solution as it would actually allow roulette access with a 0% chance of CT. Funny how you ignore that.

Incorrect. If you've done leveling roulette with a stack of 4 you would understand that if 24 people don't queue up a specific raid, the roulette itself will assign a random duty from the list itself. If 24 people are selected that did not select a particular raid (which is alot of the time due to the popularity of dailies), the ilvl cheeser would force CT.

You're not accounting for when people sign up for raids [other than CT] specifically which was mentioned in the original post.

[Saraide]

Incorrect. If you've done leveling roulette with a stack of 4 you would understand that if 24 people don't queue up a specific raid, the roulette itself will assign a random duty from the list. If 24 people are selected that did not select a particular raid (which is alot of the time due to the popularity of dailies), the ilvl cheeser would force CT.

So you agree no one queued for araids other than CT then? Getting 4 people who all use the roulette grouped is also far more likely than getting 24 people. A single person not having unlocked a higher araid, a single person being below 60 or a single person simply queueing for CT for the thrill of it is enough to cause a legitimate CT run. At which point ilvl cheesers will hog up those spots naturally pushing out other people who queued for the roulette in a legitimate way. You will only get other araids if people start queueing for them directly. This has long been going for my DC since I only ever got non CT raids. I'm happy the collective believe in queueing for other raids getting easier and the increased rewards have improved your roulette experience. Some other people have a different experience in the other direction though.

[TomsYoungerBro]

So you agree no one queued for araids other than CT then? Getting 4 people who all use the roulette grouped is also far more likely than getting 24 people. A single person not having unlocked a higher araid, a single person being below 60 or a single person simply queueing for CT for the thrill of it is enough to cause a legitimate CT run. At which point ilvl cheesers will hog up those spots naturally pushing out other people who queued for the roulette in a legitimate way. You will only get other araids if people start queueing for them directly. This has long been going for my DC since I only ever got non CT raids. I'm happy the collective believe in queueing for other raids getting easier and the increased rewards have improved your roulette experience. Some other people have a different experience in the other direction though.

I don't think i stated anything about people not queueing for non-CT raids, especially with the level 90 tokens being required for tome upgrades outside of savage. In fact, people may be queueing for the other araids more now with the tome benefits, but that is besides my original point.

Originally Ilvl cheesing, being level 50/only having CT unlocked, and queueing for it specifically will force a CT raid. Now, only the last 2 apply. Saying "ilvl cheesers took those spots" is mere conjecture.