The new 24 man alliance raids are a disappointment (mechanic wise)

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

The only real fun part that I remembered from running this raid was to abuse Dissipation to prevent the need to resummoning fairy at Llymlaen.

Too bad they consider this as an ‘issue’.

The rest are pretty mild, but I guess that’s what you get when Euphro made every other raid looks ‘better’ just because how badly undertuned it was.

[LuckShance]

I do recall Yoshi-P mentioned that they put a new team in charge of the alliance raids for this series. While they did have some interesting ideas like the balance mechanic in Aglaia i do agree that they definitely came out a bit too undertuned.

I'm not asking for the triumphant return of Thunder God, but i feel like the Nier raids struck the perfect balance between difficulty and interesting mechanics.

It's so strange, I've always found the NieR raids to be harder than the Ivalice raids. The Ivalice raids are the ones that strike the perfect balance for me.
Granted, this might be because I didn't play them until rather late, in Shadowbringers, but I still find NieR now to be harder than Ivalice was back in Shadowbringers.
I find myself making mistakes and getting tagged by stuff a lot more often in NieR. I think it's harder for me to quickly recognize what's happening and react than it is in Ivalice, perhaps due to NieR's duller visuals.

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Ivalice are my favorite raids, because the mechanics are interesting and the visuals are beautiful, and I already loved Ivalice from FFT and FFXII. (It's probably my favorite FF world short of XIV itself.)
I don't mind the raids being a bit on the easier side, because I don't really come for a challenge. But a mechanic doesn't have to be hard to be interesting, and I think it's very fair to criticize the raids for falling short on interesting mechanics.
It's true that thinking back to Aglaia and Eusophrneverrememberhowitsspelled, there wasn't much at all in regards to alliance raid specific mechanics. The towers for Halone is pretty much the only part I can really think of. Not only that, but a lot of the mechanics don't have a lot of personal responsibility either— you can get pretty far by paying zero attention to the fight itself and just following the crowd when they move.

I think a big reason people complain about content being too easy isn't really about difficulty but about the content being engaging, about requiring you to actually pay any attention to the game. I like easy games myself, I hate losing and having to repeat stuff over and over, but that doesn't change the fact that turning on god mode ceases to make a game engaging. Playing with no risk, with infinite health, is boring even for someone who likes easier games, so clearly there's a balance to be had. The game has to give you a reason to engage with it, to pay attention and care about what you're doing. It can't be braindead.

(Obviously FFXIV isn't god mode levels of braindead but the point is that some level of challenge is necessary for a game to be stimulating.)

[Asari5]

utterly disappointing

[IvoryHawk]

I just dislike that we went from semi puzzles during both add packs like atamos/ bomb/ the undead dragon/ behemoth electric floor, to:
boss
ABC add pack that a single tank can tank
boss
ABC add pack that a single tank can tank
boss

[Raven2014]

In what world did the community agree???

The world called planet earth?

Like, no matter what you want believe you can't argue with the fact that people have been cheesing to avoid Avalice/Nier raids for ages, so much that they have introduce a "fixes" so people can't "avoid" the harder raids. The perception of majority you have is simply due to the vocal minority who complain loudly. The silent majority doesn't need to be loud, because statistic is already on their side.

[Glenfiddich]

If this Thread represents the Players who want the Alliance Raids to be harder, than, Yoshi P. was right. Go and play Ultimate.
Apart from that. Devs are not reading the English Forum. So, your complaints will not be reconised anyway.

No 24 man has ever been hard. Its lazy, incompetent and unaware players that make 24 mans seems hard.

People who suffer from anxiety sure will be pleased by your comment.
On the other Hand. If people like you are so fed up there is hope that you will stay away from Alliance Raids. And we, the not so God Like Players do not have to deal with People like you.

[Ivtrix]

this thread is rich and im about it

[MsMisato]

Someone on reddit called IzanaghiOkami posted this and I cannor agree more:

"Where are the alliance mechanics? Did the devs forget that this is a raid for 24 players, there's not even something as simple as an add phase where you have to split them. And that final boss was so insanely underwhelming, "mechanics" (if you can even call them that) that a toddler could solve. I'm not asking it to be hard but I don't like being treated as a baby with keys being jingled infront of me and I'm expected to clap and praise the devs for their ingenuity and fun fight design, Euphrosyne had this problem too, the combat was so undertuned with very little unique mechanics or alliance raid responsibilities and the only thing it had going for it imo is music and aesthetics which this one has aswell. This post going to get downvoted to hell because casual players clearly enjoy these fights, but it feels bad that something I used to look forward to just doesn't apply to me anymore because the devs went overboard on dumbing these fights down, and this is like 30% of 6.5's content"

So pls dear FF team consider making the content a bit less easy

its called the care bear alliance raid. can't have players think or do mechanics only smash button and win.
/s

[Victru]

We should focus our efforts on requesting a savage version of Alliance Raids. Delubrum Reginae Savage was fantastic, several creative mechanics that required individual responsibility and towards all members of other parties! Imagine having something similar every odd patch! I wouldn't mind the normal versions being simple.

[ZephyrMenodora]

I found the new raid challenging and died a lot as a caster dps. We had one group even die on the first trash pull somehow.

It will get easier with practice but I think it had a good challenge for an average pug.