Revelations from Patch 6.5: "Growing Light", Part 1

**Turnintino** · 10-08-2023 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by Teah_Kaye

MSQ:

Azeyma just being a huge Azem fangirl and that being the reason for her name and identity as a "god" was funny.

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She became her own self-insert power fantasy OC, and I think that's beautiful. Goals tbh.

**Iscah** · 10-08-2023 11:55 PM

Got around to starting Magrat's custom deliveries. I knew that empty building in the hamlet had to be for running some kind of side content operation!

Also I can now add "Rhalgr smite you" to the list of Eorzean curses that I'll probably never get around to compiling.

**Alleluia** · 10-09-2023 02:54 PM

MSQ thoughts:

I think Golbez was a gigas. Its the only thing that explains the size. lol Seriously, though, I can't think of any good reason to hide his face even at the moment of his death than either: "he's Azem and we're leaving it to your imagination"; or "his race is something very surprising". And the former seems most likely. Or he was 10 lalas in a suit of armor. Or the gigas that I mentioned. While also being Azem. Gigazem, if you will.

I was very happy Durante was turned from his path and found hope. I was pretty sure he had noble aims and could be salvaged as a person since about when we met Rubicante, so the pacing on it seemed fine to me. I look forward to returning to the 13th with some real zones to explore, now that they have access to light aether with those transmitters. And the Lopporits said something about the 13th using their research on habitible environments. ... which could result in something pretty zaney now that I think about it, cus lopporits. lol

I wonder if Zero's domain will end up being a city hub when we return? Its already a settlement of sorts. Could be cool.

Myths of the Realm:

So, odds Deryk will pull a G'raha (and Gaia?) and enter the MSQ at some point in future? I am not sure if I'd want that, but I wouldn't hate it if he at least showed up in a sidequest in Eorzea now and then. Or at a seasonal festival. XD In fact, he should probably show up in every season festival now, even if its just as an npc with a chat bubble and no other dialogue.

**Iscah** · 10-09-2023 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by Alleluia

Myths of the Realm:

So, odds Deryk will pull a G'raha (and Gaia?) and enter the MSQ at some point in future? I am not sure if I'd want that, but I wouldn't hate it if he at least showed up in a sidequest in Eorzea now and then. Or at a seasonal festival. XD In fact, he should probably show up in every season festival now, even if it's just as an npc with a chat bubble and no other dialogue.

Pretty low, I think.

G'raha only got to enter the MSQ (pre-mandatory-CT) due to the time travel factor removing the need for CT to happen first. It still works better if you've done it first, and the alternate excuse timeline is a little flimsy – "I'm doing all this to save you because I was close friends with an alternate timeline version of you" doesn't pack quite the same punch as the direct personal connection if you've done CT personally already – but ultimately a player's non-completion of it can be excused as something you (or at least other-you) will do at some point in your future that is the Exarch's past.

And I'm still not convinced that Gaia's conditional appearance here could lead to further MSQ, rather than being part of a multi-conditional side storyline.

That said, I would definitely expect Deryk to get some seasonal cameos, since we've already had things like letters or skits involving characters that are only available if you've completed certain quests, including some appearances from sidequest characters like Suzaku edging her way into that Hatching-tide quest where they all got those rabbit costumes they insist on wearing in cutscenes since.

**Alleluia** · 10-09-2023 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by Iscah

Pretty low, I think.

G'raha only got to enter the MSQ (pre-mandatory-CT) due to the time travel factor removing the need for CT to happen first. It still works better if you've done it first, and the alternate excuse timeline is a little flimsy – "I'm doing all this to save you because I was close friends with an alternate timeline version of you" doesn't pack quite the same punch as the direct personal connection if you've done CT personally already – but ultimately a player's non-completion of it can be excused as something you (or at least other-you) will do at some point in your future that is the Exarch's past.

And I'm still not convinced that Gaia's conditional appearance here could lead to further MSQ, rather than being part of a multi-conditional side storyline.

That said, I would definitely expect Deryk to get some seasonal cameos, since we've already had things like letters or skits involving characters that are only available if you've completed certain quests, including some appearances from sidequest characters like Suzaku edging her way into that Hatching-tide quest where they all got those rabbit costumes they insist on wearing in cutscenes since.

Is there an animal costume they're missing?

Deryk will find the first opo-opo suit.

**Fenral** · 10-10-2023 10:16 AM

Myths of the Realm:

About halfway through the raid I realized this quest series was never really about saying goodbye to the Twelve, but about saying goodbye to Eorzea. I needed a moment but the bosses wouldn't give it to me. "Easy to clear" is unfortunately not the same as having easy mechanics.

Kind of like how the Shadows of Mhach trilogy dropped a lot of FFIX references with a side of FFV, this one feels like its dropping the Final Fantasy XIII fanservice. (Maybe because of the techno-angel aesthetic, but ARR owes a lot to recycled FF XIII assets, so it's not like the game is somehow undeserving or unworthy of a shout-out or three.) The overall "help the gods kill themselves" angle is basically the big twist of XIII, but they're much nicer about it than the fal'Cie were.

I don't really see this as "Eorzean Religion is True Actually" so much as the Twelve being just a different kind of fake god than we've seen previously. Most gods in the setting are derived from an original something, the Twelve just happen to be what you get when the origin becomes the exaggeration. Holding together creation after the sundering is actually the closest we've gotten to YHWH power levels, but that's their secret true purpose, rather than what they're actively worshiped for.

Really digging Oschon's design. Feeling a lot of Wanderer favoritism in general, suddenly, and I picked that back in the 1.0 beta. Talk about a long wait for a payoff. Though now I'll have to wait more for the painting to be patched in. (Nophica enjoyers eating well, I think.) I enjoyed picking the joke option at the reveal. I think someone out there actually is reading this forum.

Deryk's final fate was both expected and not. Eternal existence is meaningless, so you might as well just say thanks for the memories and end it all doing One Last Good Thing, but if you do that, you'll make the monkey sad. Peak anti-nihilism, from the master herself.

Dalamutt mount when?

Post Myths and MSQ thoughts:

I think Deryk's off in Alpha-space now. If he comes back, it won't be to do anything major. The big thing that made G'raha stick out as a "side-content character" was precisely how his skillset and inheritance tied into the bigger Allagan picture that developed through Heavensward and Stormblood. They've been very careful not to pull that again.

The whole Eden series (Gaia included) is kind of weird as it's basically an alternate epilogue for Shadowbringers that can only take place in a very small window of time running parallel to the MSQ, and ties into the only recurring threat bigger than the Allagans. By which I mean the Ascians. Y'know. THE big bads. The only thing that makes Gaia's situation better than post-2.5 G'raha is that she was left in a place where she could literally walk in the door at any time. As she just proved.

**stenovrain** · 10-10-2023 11:50 AM

It bugged me after 6.3 and it still bugs me now:

If the Twelve was a "system" created by Hydaelyn and they "never manifested before men," then how did Eorzeans know their true names and at least part of their background stories? Even if something happened around Mor Dhona during the 3rd astral era and some men accidentally witnessed the images of one or two gods, was it possible that they got to know the names of the Gods and their charges that accurately?
So who spread the messages of the gods to Eorzeans but not anyone else in the world? Was it Hydaelyn? If so why would she do that? Because she loved Eorzeans the best?
Also, if the Twleve was to maintain the running of the Source, then did Hydaelyn create similar systems for the shards? At least we didn't get any clue either in the First or in the 13th.

**Denishia** · 10-11-2023 12:55 AM

Latest tiny Custom Delivery reveal

the kitty researchers are investigating why all mounts have unlocked flying and their focus is the Fat Cat Mount

**Alleluia** · 10-11-2023 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by Denishia

Latest tiny Custom Delivery reveal

the kitty researchers are investigating why all mounts have unlocked flying and their focus is the Fat Cat Mount

Ok. Asking the real questions. Sharlayan doing ~~Venat's~~ ~~Zodiark's~~ God's work.

**Cleretic** · 10-11-2023 03:39 PM

Margrat, Rank 3

Margrat's story is fantastic so far by the way, if you haven't been following it I highly recommend it.

Good to see someone's researching that epidemic of flying rideable animals!

Also, we have this patch's Gridanian Goldsmith mention! Did we ever find a mention of him in 6.4?

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