Thread: Red Mages 6.5 Job Adjustment feels Insulting

Im actually happy for my RDM as is and dont want change, i like being a Ressmage in dire situations, to me i like its design as is.

Originally Posted by Kuroka

Im actually happy for my RDM as is and dont want change, i like being a Ressmage in dire situations, to me i like its design as is.

I don't mind that capacity; I just don't/didn't like being (so) pre-taxed for it...

...especially since the opportunity costs it has right now vary so heavily with fight design (the timings at which bodies are likely to hit the floor [in numbers enough that it makes a difference] relative to RDM's burst timing [and everyone else's, because "two-minute meta"])...

...and SMN's single extra instant rez per minute was so often already enough to meet needs despite it having a higher damage floor and ceiling, both, and a raid sustain tool of its own.

Originally Posted by Kuroka

Im actually happy for my RDM as is and dont want change, i like being a Ressmage in dire situations, to me i like its design as is.

Complacent players like this are actually the worst thing in the world for meaningful game balance in the future

Between Garuda and Ifrit and Swiftcast, summoner has 3 casts per minute. They're long casts, sure, but they are few, far between, and you can arrange your legos how you like to avoid casting at inopportune times. ShB summoner was pretty mobile too I'll grant but it had nothing on modern summoner especially with having to take action ghosting into account.

They should hamstring summoner back down to RDM/BLM level though. Or at least much nearer to. There's no reason for it to have so many instant casts. Heck, if their mobility was similar then you'd see a lot more of the other casters I would argue, because SMN's primary benefit and why it sees more use than both of its peers combined is its sheer ease of use and its mobility is definitely a huge part of that.

While we can't really change how you personally feel a class, that doesn't really change the fact that SMN only has about 10s of forced cast time without involving Swiftcast, compared to RDM having about 20-25s worth of forced cast times, as well as more forced melee moments in a minute compared to SMN. RDM I think only 'feels' more mobile because of abilities like Corps-a-corps zipping you across an arena very quickly, or Displacement moving you out very quickly, but those themselves are forced movements that have their own positioning requirements that can be dangerous that SMN doesn't have to care about as often (not that it's all that dangerous in Meleewalker, with those giant hitboxes and few disengage moments, but still, the "threat" of being up close is there).

The only reason I can think of SMN feeling 'less mobile' is because the few cast times that are there are around 3s long compared to RDM 2s. But again, those are very few, and SMN ultimately has long strings of moments where there's no need to sit still at all, compared to RDM having to sit still every odd cast for 2s at a time.

Honestly Square, just add cast times to the summons. It'd add to that feeling of power if we had to spend 3s of our time 'channeling' that 700 potency primal.

Originally Posted by TheDustyOne

While we can't really change how you personally feel a class, that doesn't really change the fact that SMN only has about 10s of forced cast time without involving Swiftcast, compared to RDM having about 20-25s worth of forced cast times, as well as more forced melee moments in a minute compared to SMN. RDM I think only 'feels' more mobile because of abilities like Corps-a-corps zipping you across an arena very quickly, or Displacement moving you out very quickly, but those themselves are forced movements that have their own positioning requirements that can be dangerous that SMN doesn't have to care about as often (not that it's all that dangerous in Meleewalker, with those giant hitboxes and few disengage moments, but still, the "threat" of being up close is there).

The only reason I can think of SMN feeling 'less mobile' is because the few cast times that are there are around 3s long compared to RDM 2s. But again, those are very few, and SMN ultimately has long strings of moments where there's no need to sit still at all, compared to RDM having to sit still every odd cast for 2s at a time.

Honestly Square, just add cast times to the summons. It'd add to that feeling of power if we had to spend 3s of our time 'channeling' that 700 potency primal.

They probably think bard and machinist are less mobile than RDM by that leap of logic as well. DNC fine though, because it has 3 dashes.

The sooner you realize that any RDM or SMN buffs are just pretext to Enochian buffs the better

Originally Posted by kayll

The sooner you realize that any RDM or SMN buffs are just pretext to Enochian buffs the better

I only ask for one side affect, they have a lvl 100 trait that grants permanent ley lines that has instant casts but you can never move from the ley lines during the whole fight.