How has every other major MMO solved the problem of downtime other than FF14?

[DPZ2]

But does not FFXIV use old outdated hardware from late 2000s? no? Someone told about it during EU datacenter split in half, coz old Pentium 4 was not able to handle it, and now they want to move into cloud, coz old hardware is way to expensive in order of electricity bills.

Hahahahaha. That was funny.

Consider, though, that you shouldn't have use the Pentium 4 as being part of the server hardware, since Intel stopped selling the chip 3 years before A Realm Reborn went live.

[Astrahime]

It's not just "a new patch in".
It's a full expansion drop for the Free Trial, and for that reason we're having a day of maintenance.
https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...b760f9c59f8a83
6.1 also had a full day of maintenance, due to the fact that they were setting up new server infrastructure.

[Aurikai]

They haven't, I've been playing WoW since DF, EVERY major patch has led to days worth of downtime, even the minor patches cause multiple outages. They will say 8 or 10 hours of downtime, but experience so many issues they are forced to take servers down repeatedly for multiple days in a row. I would much rather FF be down a day and patched right than deal with repeated bugs for days on end.

[Atelier-Bagur]

They haven't, I've been playing WoW since DF, EVERY major patch has led to days worth of downtime, even the minor patches cause multiple outages. They will say 8 or 10 hours of downtime, but experience so many issues they are forced to take servers down repeatedly for multiple days in a row. I would much rather FF be down a day and patched right than deal with repeated bugs for days on end.

Its obvious OP doesnt play any other MMO besides FFXIV so they just make these half-baked assumptions of other games in order to make their point.

[RitsukoSonoda]

They haven't, I've been playing WoW since DF, EVERY major patch has led to days worth of downtime, even the minor patches cause multiple outages. They will say 8 or 10 hours of downtime, but experience so many issues they are forced to take servers down repeatedly for multiple days in a row. I would much rather FF be down a day and patched right than deal with repeated bugs for days on end.

I remember the original launch of WoW... Game purchase included 30 days of game time... I didn't get a subscription charge until like 3 months later due to all the free time extensions they handed out due to server issues lol...

As for the whole gripe about FF14 having a 24 hour maintenance for a large content update. That is fairly normal tbh. Hell even mobile games have downtime periods that long for large content updates.

[Payadopa]

Gives you more time to play other games. lol

[MistakeNot]

Why is it that only FF14, among the major MMOs, require an entire day just to get a new patch in for maintenance?

Your question makes no sense, given that other MMOs from time to time also require an entire day or more for patching and maintenance.

[Avoidy]

Only thing that's wild imo is that your subtime's still ticking even while the game's down for the day. And if they need more time? "Sorry! Please understand!" and then more sub time gets eaten with no talk of compensation at all. Nobody here seems to mind it. I find that remarkable. Trying to explain to some XIV enthusiasts about how other games with timed elements will pause their timers on these things until the game comes up, is like talking to a wall. Or how other games will have downtime go longer than expected and compensate their players with mailed buffs or cute temporary trinkets or w/e. And telling them how other MMOs with lighter payment models (eg. just buy once but don't get charged monthly or for expacs, or completely f2p but there's a cash shop, etc.) have similarly priced cash shops to XIV just gets you called a Titanmen alt.

I think it only strikes me as odd because I came to XIV from a pretty abusive f2p kmmo and when I started XIV, everyone was telling me about how much better this game was and how the devs didn't just see you as a pig to suck money from, but all you have to do is look at the monetization models to know that's a load of crap. This game ... literally takes advantage of every mmo monetization method available. It quadruple dips. It's buy to play. It's subscription based on a monthly scale but offers major content updates 3 times a year. It's pay per expansion. It's got a cash shop with 30 dollar mounts and 20+ dollar outfits that come as a mandatory full set with no option to buy bits and pieces at a discount. And the same people who'd shit on f2p games for being greedy are totally fine when it's Square doing it and basically I'm flabbergasted.

But no, actually taking the game down for a day? By all means, do what you have to do. Take it down longer if you need to, to get it done right. I don't really care when games are down and it's not like they did it on a holiday like they've done in the past (and didn't refund subtime then either btw). It's really just the principle of paying for subtime and not being able to play and not having that time refunded that's bothersome. And it's weird to see people defend it and talk about Yoshi like he's their uncle.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Only thing that's wild imo is that your subtime's still ticking even while the game's down for the day. And if they need more time? "Sorry! Please understand!" and then more sub time gets eaten with no talk of compensation at all. Nobody here seems to mind it. I find that remarkable. Trying to explain to some XIV enthusiasts about how other games with timed elements will pause their timers on these things until the game comes up, is like talking to a wall. Or how other games will have downtime go longer than expected and compensate their players with mailed buffs or cute temporary trinkets or w/e. And telling them how other MMOs with lighter payment models (eg. just buy once but don't get charged monthly or for expacs, or completely f2p but there's a cash shop, etc.) have similarly priced cash shops to XIV just gets you called a Titanmen alt.

I think it only strikes me as odd because I came to XIV from a pretty abusive f2p kmmo and when I started XIV, everyone was telling me about how much better this game was and how the devs didn't just see you as a pig to suck money from, but all you have to do is look at the monetization models to know that's a load of crap. This game ... literally takes advantage of every mmo monetization method available. It quadruple dips. It's buy to play. It's subscription based on a monthly scale but offers major content updates 3 times a year. It's pay per expansion. It's got a cash shop with 30 dollar mounts and 20+ dollar outfits that come as a mandatory full set with no option to buy bits and pieces at a discount. And the same people who'd shit on f2p games for being greedy are totally fine when it's Square doing it and basically I'm flabbergasted.

But no, actually taking the game down for a day? By all means, do what you have to do. Take it down longer if you need to, to get it done right. I don't really care when games are down and it's not like they did it on a holiday like they've done in the past (and didn't refund subtime then either btw). It's really just the principle of paying for subtime and not being able to play and not having that time refunded that's bothersome. And it's weird to see people defend it and talk about Yoshi like he's their uncle.

Actually, they've always given sub time for any maint that extends beyond 24h.

[Avoidy]

Actually, they've always given sub time for any maint that extends beyond 24h.

Is that so? I genuinely don't recall one going over that time, so I'll just take your word for it. What I'd like to actually see is for things like sub timers (and to a greater extent timed things like plants) to simply freeze while the game's offline, but this is definitely better than nothing.

dang who's actually gonna read all that. this is such low bait.

Damn, great community coming through!