Echo in Raids

[Astrahime]

Have you ever cleared E12 savage when it was on-content? The healing and DPS checks were no joke, and there is the 2nd encounter, so obviously echo for savage is totally warranted after because it still requires knowing mechanics or wipe.

The normal content you can blaze through even with half the party being pretty bad in DPS in sync'd gear. Normals don't need any echo, ever.

have you ever tried E12 normal with healers that don't know how Stock works and no DPSes that can combat raise?

Also that same argument can be used to take echo out of normal trials, but there it's even stronger than in EX trials.