What's going on Frontlines?

[VictorSpoils]

Haha, people are still thinking that you need a 4 man premade of DRK/DRG to stomp a game? You can do that solo too with the same jobs.





Done exclusively solo (jobs played: MNK, DRG, some SCH).

In before "b-but you just got lucky and paired with the premades!!1!"

• Counterpoint: This is a team game, you have 23 teammates, you have zero control over how competent they are unless you're queue syncing (and even then, barely), and you're facing two opponent teams instead of one. It's pretty clear there's a luck factor involved.
• Countercounterpoint: Queueing solo right now and getting a 55% win rate over 27 games without queue syncing isn't lucky. It's reality-defying.
• Countercountercounterpoint: Player competence almost certainly varies between data centers. In a brief excursion to Primal, I could win more times in a few games than I would across two dozen in Crystal. Even though every game is guaranteed to have a winner, you can consistently find yourself on the losing team. Plenty of leeway when there are two losing teams instead of one.

[Valence]

• Counterpoint: This is a team game, you have 23 teammates, you have zero control over how competent they are unless you're queue syncing (and even then, barely), and you're facing two opponent teams instead of one. It's pretty clear there's a luck factor involved.
• Countercounterpoint: Queueing solo right now and getting a 55% win rate over 27 games without queue syncing isn't lucky. It's reality-defying.
• Countercountercounterpoint: Player competence almost certainly varies between data centers. In a brief excursion to Primal, I could win more times in a few games than I would across two dozen in Crystal. Even though every game is guaranteed to have a winner, you can consistently find yourself on the losing team. Plenty of leeway when there are two losing teams instead of one.

1) Who said there is no luck factor involved? Of course luck is and has always been a significant part of pvp teamgames. Why are you bringing luck into this? Unless you're trying to imply that there is legitimately absolutely no impact that an individual player (or a group of 4, since that was the original point made) can have upon a game and the odds are a flat 33% to win no matter what on averages. Which would imply that people that have better results, be it in FLs or even CC ranked, are here out of sheer luck with no skill involved whatsoever. I just said that one individual alone can have a significant impact on even a FL game, especially when playing the obvious culprits like DRG, etc.
2) It's probably in the higher bracket of the results I've gotten. I used that screen earlier because it was specifically conducted with my tryharding at field commanding during a week, which I do believe flat out can beat any premade or DRG/DRK combo or whatever. Won't always work ofc, because it is still reliant on luck and your team actually being amenable to follow commands and know what to do, but it eliminates a lot of the skill issue from the equation when it works, and actually coordinates 20+ people at once instead of just 4. For reference, my total ratio hovers around 39-40% on 1st place, with over 1500+ games as sample, least I be accused of using too low sample sizes and a luck streak. And it does seem the ratio you find defying reality is actually found on the screen just above that you conveniently ignored, with a sample of a way higher size, so if that's just about luck as you say, then what is reality defying again here?
3) Again, nobody argues that luck is not part of the equation, or at least I don't. You're building strawmen here. If your DC is worse as you say, I only played FLs on Crystal in Stormblood (for a lot of games though), and Crystal back then used to be one of the best if not the best pvp DC on the western side. Perhaps it's not the case anymore. You need to teach people by showing and leading, that's as simple. Make macros, show them how to lead instead of complaining, and work hard to it for weeks, months, until people start understanding how it works, what tactics to employ, and how to react organically to the battlefield. You'll soon see them re using your macros or making their own variants, and while at first you'll just pull your hair out, later on, maybe you'll see results.