What's going on Frontlines?

[AnnRam]

Square did announced something related to rewards/pvp? in years of playing PVP I never saw such a devastating and horrible people every single game.



I don't mind losing but every single match is just getting destroyed while the two other alliances are having fun while ours can't even approach.

My alliance : 100 points
The rest : 1200/1000

Today I played 6 games in a row and all of the same we lost horrible bad because half of the raid is basically afk, or not paying attention at all people playing DPS ending with 5-10k damage in a full 20 minutes match like seriously.

[Xylira]

It's the last week of the PvP series, lots of people who don't normally PvP are trying to close it out.

That said, I've had a really weird opposite experience to yours while powering an alt to series rank 25 this week, and I only ever solo queue.

Sometimes it feels like the match making system plays favorites, or picks on people, from week to week.

[Towa-Musa]

i just play the mode man, beyond that i don't care one lick about winning or losing.

[Wilford111]

Square did announced something related to rewards/pvp? in years of playing PVP I never saw such a devastating and horrible people every single game.



I don't mind losing but every single match is just getting destroyed while the two other alliances are having fun while ours can't even approach.

My alliance : 100 points
The rest : 1200/1000

Today I played 6 games in a row and all of the same we lost horrible bad because half of the raid is basically afk, or not paying attention at all people playing DPS ending with 5-10k damage in a full 20 minutes match like seriously.

Are you solo-queueing?
Cuz I can tell you, only people who queue together in a party ever get wins. It's a sad reality of Frontline and it's a main contributor of why it's the worst game mode in FFXIV.

[Mayhemmer]

Are you solo-queueing?
Cuz I can tell you, only people who queue together in a party ever get wins. It's a sad reality of Frontline and it's a main contributor of why it's the worst game mode in FFXIV.

What a weird thing to say.

[Wilford111]

What a weird thing to say.

How is it weird? Do you disagree?
I will admit I was being hyperbolic but it's not too far off.

[Mayhemmer]

How is it weird? Do you disagree?
I will admit I was being hyperbolic but it's not too far off.

I do, and I worded that too smugly I think, so I apologize.

Good party play in Frontlines highlights the issues people have with things like...

The out of control crowd-control
Emphases on AoE bursting
Overtuned personal shielding
The CRIMINAL abundance of "get out of jail free" abilities that allow individuals to get away with making insanely dumb decisions (elusive jump, sky high, phalanx, Eventide, etc.)
The damage reduction bandaids slapped onto the gamemode that further facilitate insane aggressive zerging
Tick-rate that can't keep up with 72 people clustering together

All things people have taken to abusing through even mediocre levels of coordination.

Rather than addressing these, tons of people would rather the source of their immediate aggravation be taken away, but that doesn't fix the issues.

[Valence]

The out of control crowd-control

Use guard and purify. It's not that worse than in CC. If you're out of both, don't go in, that's simple. People blame CC chains when they've been caught pants down by a 20 player blob dunking on them. If you get targeted, zoom out immediately after purifying.

I'm ready to admit that the DRK pull in is annoying, but again, if you have guard and purify ready, you should be fine. If it's a case where you're fleeing, then you probably fucked up way before for being left behind and caught pants down. No matter the CC you eat, you have a 20 man blob on your ass and no way to outrun them (they can mount, you can't).

Emphases on AoE bursting

Definitely more of a problem than in the old pvp model. AoE should be capped with heavy fallofs in FLs imo. PvE has them, so why not wide scale PvP (not crystal conflict pls, it's fine in small scale pvp)?

Overtuned personal shielding

???

The CRIMINAL abundance of "get out of jail free" abilities that allow individuals to get away with making insanely dumb decisions (elusive jump, sky high, phalanx, Eventide, etc.)

It's fortunate that those are here. A DRG without elusive and barrier after LB is a dead DRG. Even with both of those, it can be a dead DRG anyway. People are just not very good at catching them and ganking them out of the sky.

Tanks invulns don't bother me. They don't make tanks invulnerable to crowd control anyway, and a chain CCed tank after their purify is over is a dead tank.

The damage reduction bandaids slapped onto the gamemode that further facilitate insane aggressive zerging

Amusingly enough, with good players, they're not a lot of reduction. You can gank almost anything very easily. On the other hand, it's clear that it's way too much for the average playerbase, and generates jobs that seem impossible to kill when competently played.

Like everything in the complaints about this mode, it's mostly tied to a skill scale problem. It's like putting first league football players with elementary schoolers. Ofc the former will stand out as unbeatable, but people prefer blaming premades and unfair combos.

Tick-rate that can't keep up with 72 people clustering together

Yeah it's pretty bad. They should scale it down to the old 8v8v8 and see how it runs, with damage reductions cut by half or more obviously, accordingly.

Rather than addressing these, tons of people would rather the source of their immediate aggravation be taken away, but that doesn't fix the issues.

If only it was the source of their immediate aggravation to begin with...

[VictorSpoils]

What a weird thing to say.

[IDontPetLalas]

Are you solo-queueing?
Cuz I can tell you, only people who queue together in a party ever get wins. It's a sad reality of Frontline and it's a main contributor of why it's the worst game mode in FFXIV.

It may be your reality, however I can assure it most definitely is not the case for everyone.