What's going on Frontlines?

[Xylira]

With that said, let's just ask then, what is your global ratio, with a good sample amount then? Can you honestly tell me in the eyes that past thousands of games, it's just sheer luck? Yeah i'm sure CC players at the top are all there by sheer luck as well. B-but they have much more weight! Yeah and you wanna bet how much higher their ratio will be if we just take their casual games? Unfortunately harder to track, but I have little doubt about it.

I never said it was all luck, but luck definitely plays a huge part when you're solo queuing. You could be the best PvPer in the game, and it means nothing if you end up matched with a team of people who are terrible at PvP, or otherwise don't care and just want to face roll their way through the roulette bonus, moogle tomes, and/or series XP. Especially so if you're matched against enemy teams who actually care about trying to win and coordinate, which is doubly so when they have one or more premade groups that are queuing together to do exactly that.

As per my own personal win ratio, I have a good bit more more wins than losses. Some weeks I have amazing runs and consistently end up on good teams, other weeks it feels like the matchmaking system is going out of it's way to punish me by dumping me on terrible teams. I don't try-hard in FL and run in premades, I only ever solo queue, and because of that my win ratio trends more toward average than the outlier week I had on my alt. Though ironically, this past week I played AST almost exclusively on my alt, which I'm kind of seeing an argument that AST could probably do with being nerfed a bit.

[lennit]

when i play bard, it all about luck , you don't have a LB that can blow way your opponent . you need a team to carry you , so you can do silent nocturne on them and slowly burn them down, but having a one on one fight your better off running. it only luck that has gone me a win on that. And it's good sometime i can find some friend that can help me while i play bard, because most time i find myself shooting at the back of the pack and in a second later, i am standing in the middle of a pack of death knights and dragoons, ready to eat me alive. but if i am with my friend, they can tell me to run.

i love playing bard for pvp but i do hate the LB, because of the other classes LB , they get kills for using there LB , i get nothing but a buff to help the party, so the party can get more dps, so when you see a bard with a glowy light around them , dont feed them to the wolves ..please

but in pvp i would love to have a score board in game so i can see i got a kill blow , instead of waiting to the end of the match

[NekoMataMata]

Lots of baddies out again post patch but I can actually carry right now. Without their plugins so many people are getting SAM LB'd. Hit a record of 15 people in one LB and that's almost 2/3s of an alliance. Going to be a shame in a few days when I have to go back to mainly spamming Chiten defensively.

[Valence]

You're aware you can get those numbers solo, and that ultimately they don't tell me much right? How do they tell you those players were in premades?

Just use a job with heavy, easy splash application like, gasp, DRG, SMN, SCH or AST. I've seen solo players going over 4M damage a game.

[Mayhemmer]

You're aware you can get those numbers solo, and that ultimately they don't tell me much right? How do they tell you those players were in premades?

Huh, I don't know. Same team, stacked job, all sticking so close to each other the whole match they might as well be holding hands, diving together at once, retreating together at once, in-sync skill usage, all appearing together multiple matches in a row... I guess it's a mystery... /s

The ultimate point isn't about premades; I did say they weren't the root issue. It's the fact that a healer can top the damage chart in the first place.

Just use a job with heavy, easy splash application like, gasp, DRG, SMN, SCH or AST. I've seen solo players going over 4M damage a game.

You sure do give a lot of "just do this, just do that" perfect scenario responses to things, even after claiming you don't like when people do.

See, I'd agree with that statement, because it's the same in CC, and I'm sick of people using the same cookiee cutter, perfect scenario replies.

[Valence]

Huh, I don't know. Same team, stacked job, all sticking so close to each other the whole match they might as well be holding hands, diving together at once, retreating together at once, in-sync skill usage, all appearing together multiple matches in a row... I guess it's a mystery... /s

Sounds more like wishful thinking and jumping to conclusions to me but whatever comforts you I guess. Either way, even if they were in a premade, those numbers are pretty mediocre overall compared to what can even be achieved solo, so I'm not sure chief.

You sure do give a lot of "just do this, just do that" perfect scenario responses to things, even after claiming you don't like when people do.

Let me rephrase then: remove the "just do", and replace by "those jobs can easily reach those numbers solo".

The ultimate point isn't about premades; I did say they weren't the root issue. It's the fact that a healer can top the damage chart in the first place.

In a relatively role agnostic pvp model, this comment puzzles me the most.

[Mayhemmer]

Snip.

The point I've been making for the past 3-4 posts has never been about being able to make number go up solo or in a group. It was about pre-mades, among many things, shining a light on Frontlines baked-in issues and that said issues should be resolved. I just don't really know what to tell you if you don't want to get that.

Though, honestly, I don't believe these issues even can be resolved without some pretty massive changes to FL's core design, and I don't have any reason to believe the dev team is willing to bother, let alone acknowledge them.

I can't believe these guys, playing together in team based mode in an MMO.
The nerve of some people.

I see you're having this issue as well. Try going back and reading the rest of the thread leading up to this, it might clear up your confusion.

[kayll]

It is indeed a "team-based mode" where the team consists of 24 players. It seems rather sad to me that people construct 4-person premades to inflate their personal stats. Just because the exploit is permissible doesn't stop it being an exploit.

Sometimes I play PvP without a keyboard, since you are using one does that mean you are exploiting?

I see you're having this issue as well. Try going back and reading the rest of the thread leading up to this, it might clear up your confusion.

Nah, I acknowledge that Frontlines has glaring issues, but are you seriously expecting them to basically remake PvP again instead of just disabling party queue and calling a day?

[Valence]

The point I've been making for the past 3-4 posts has never been about being able to make number go up solo or in a group. It was about pre-mades, among many things, shining a light on Frontlines baked-in issues and that said issues should be resolved. I just don't really know what to tell you if you don't want to get that.

You said above, quoting: "The ultimate point isn't about premades; I did say they weren't the root issue. It's the fact that a healer can top the damage chart in the first place.".

I noticed the "among many things" on this one, but please understand that you keep jumping from one statement to a relatively contrary other statement just after, so that's a little confusing to say the least.

[kayll]

Huh, I don't know. Same team, stacked job, all sticking so close to each other the whole match they might as well be holding hands, diving together at once, retreating together at once, in-sync skill usage, all appearing together multiple matches in a row... I guess it's a mystery... /s

I can't believe these guys, playing together in team based mode in an MMO.
The nerve of some people.