Mixed feelings about the Twelve

[Elissar]

The deity you picked used to have a small effect on elemental resistances before those damage types were removed from game play (think that was start of Stormblood?).

Also regarding the Encyclopedia Eorzeas, they're written to be in the style of Eorzean scholars who may not have the correct facts (leaves room for SE to retcon parts of lore if they feel the need). It's probably better to not lean on the information in them too heavily.

The weather affected some combat content too...i think the line between "leaves room" and laziness is getting thin.

When we see the MSQ, the message is: hope > despair and going forward > living in the past. A clear, beautiful and simple message. However...when we think about the Twelve, the lesson is...? our religion sucks more than any other, i would not be able to show my face in Radz-At-Han after 6.5 (lol).

Don't get me wrong, i like shallow stories too, but we are talking about the entities that created our world or helped in the process of creation, seems like they tried a little bit and abandoned the idea.


They could give modified vfx or unique glam, the quest name writes by itself "A Gift to Remember". Anything would be better than nothing.
When we are talking about gods, we are talking about something that cause permanent changes...myths were the only content that i had my expectations high, lesson learned. Fortunately Pandaemonium is way better than i expected.

[aveyond-dreams]

I despise the Twelve. They were mostly boring to begin with but their writing in Myths of the Realm managed to scrub away the few interesting characteristics they had and made them all preach the same "we love you!!" message that at this point is thoroughly grating.

[Turtledeluxe]

Which is okay. They're a remnant of game play that MMORPGs rarely use anymore and so don't need to have a large amount of development time dedicated to them every expansion. Myths of the Realm seems to be added as the chapter to wrap up their existence in the game.

I won't consider it ok until the finale because the writing so far, is terribly boring.

[Iscah]

Which is okay. They're a remnant of game play that MMORPGs rarely use anymore and so don't need to have a large amount of development time dedicated to them every expansion. Myths of the Realm seems to be added as the chapter to wrap up their existence in the game.

I disagree. We could have just left them as gods that the general population of Eorzea believes in, with no definitive answer to whether they are real or not. They could be wrapped up by just not ever dealing with them as real entities, and leaving them as a cultural detail.

[DrWho2010]

I despise the Twelve. They were mostly boring to begin with but their writing in Myths of the Realm managed to scrub away the few interesting characteristics they had and made them all preach the same "we love you!!" message that at this point is thoroughly grating.

knowing you you'd want them to be more edgy and broody and willing to punish you harshly. =p

[aveyond-dreams]

I won't consider it ok until the finale because the writing so far, is terribly boring.

Basically this. You can't expect people to endure writing like that bizarre open sesame Nophica scene and that eyeroll worthy femroe character, it lacks any semblance of stakes or anything that made the previous raids compelling. All this for the likely reveal that the Twelve are probably Venat's co-conspirators. Why was I supposed to be excited for this?

[Nebelheim]

knowing you you'd want them to be more edgy and broody and willing to punish you harshly. =p

Or they have to be woman that obey orders from men and can't be strong and independent or else they take away from a scene according to him and have to take a back seat when a man is in the scene.

[aveyond-dreams]

Or they have to be woman that obey orders from men and can't be strong and independent or else they take away from a scene according to him and have to take a back seat when a man is in the scene.

I am unsure how you came to draw such a conclusion when my previous suggestions and/or concept threads have given women - including the goddesses of the Twelve, a greater degree of characterization and agency than the current writing does. If there are any caricatures of women being made it is not being done by me. Personally, I found most of the scenes involving Nophica and the jokes surrounding her to be pretty degrading. As well as the constant issues plaguing Y'shtola's writing turning her into a generic "sassy" character and robbing her of any suggestion of emotional growth or vulnerability after we left Rak'tika in Shadowbringers, extending onto Endwalker and beyond.

I highly encourage you to draw your own conclusions and even take a look at my alternate retelling of Myths of the Realm in the following thread. I look forward to hearing your opinion as to which style of writing is ultimately does more in service to character agency and development. Mine in which the goddesses are allowed to have conflicting personalities and goals, or the other in which all are reduced to the same copypasted character in different costumes.

[MisterNublet]

The only thing worse than the Twelve is Zero. At least the knowledge that the Twelve is limited to the Alliance Raid story is a blessing, whereas we might be stuck with Zero beyond 6.5 that worries me.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Honestly, I just find it highly amusing how mankind painted the Twelve with such reverence and detail only for them all to turn out to be super chill beings.

I think that says a lot about human perception. Kinda like how aveyond wants to perceive a lot about this game.