For the love of god, add a priority system.

[lennit]

It also wont do much to the actual housing supply because people will want ward housing anyway, bids would stay more or less the same as they are now. A majority will just keep on bidding for ward housing, instanced housing is not the savior people think it is.

that is true , instanced housing is like telling your friend to come to your island all the time , while there still be players trying to get a house in a ward next to there friend or FC, it would be close to telling you friend to go to your apartment, but it a house instead and having all the yard and garden options.. all i would see. if everyone had a house , gardening would be pointless , since the market would be flooded, but it already close to that now since all the new data travel and added wards. it like growing thavairian onion that take 4week to grow and only sell close to 100k now, that would drop heaps to the point not to grow anything if everyone had a house. but let say they dont added garden in instanced , then you would have people want a ward house for that reason and the same problem will still be there for them, wanting a house in a ward.

the only benefit i would see from instanced housing everyone would be able to have a house , like the island , but they will not have the problem of losing there house after 45days, and not having the problem getting a small,medium or large plot. but i don't know much it would do to the servers with all the extra data, with all the crazy house designs. but iam not a software technician so i wouldn't know

[Olivia0x25]

Imagine thinking that would solve the issues of Balmung

Please implement it Square I would like to see the Balmung complains about the Pity System because they are still to much people in front of the OP

Im not saying it would "solve the issues of Balmung". However it is STILL a better system for people who are dedicating their lives each week to finding a house. The odds are SO out of your favor, it's practically not worth it. But with a priority system, for all those people who decide to keep bidding EVERY week after week, and keep trying but losing, at LEAST it gives them some how that EVENTUALLY they will be selected rather than always being in a position where there is almost a 0% chance that you'll get select, as well as everyone else in that queue.

Also you're assuming way too much and just really just being an ass. I have a house. I'd like to relocate to a medium or so, but that's besides the point, I'm complaining about the actual system itself. Which yes, is probably better off scrapped, but a priority system would STILL be better than what we are handed.

So you think you should have a better chance then anybody else? That's not how fair systems work. Either everybody has exactly the same odds, or it isn't fair.

Literally not what I said. I said people who continue to constantly not win the lottery should be put in a higher priority for the NEXT week. Just because they are in higher priority still doesn't garuntee they'll be selected that week. But through a pattern of failures to get the lottery for housing, EVENTUALLY all that effort would pay off cuz they would eventually have a priority so high, that the system would naturally pick them.

That's well beyond fair. And that WOULD be how a "fair system works" because everyone would have access to that same system. If someone spent 3 months trying to get a house and failed every lottery but I got picked from week one, I'd naturally feel bad about it because that person has been trying for so long with still a chance of almost never getting selected.

Hell, even the current system is unfair. Just keep loading up alts and putting a lottery in, that would give you a higher chance. Couldn't do that before unless you was multi boxing on a placard. Even then I still preferred that system over this because the pool was smaller and there was a much higher chance, which is how I still have my house, but I digress. I think it's totally fair, especially if everyone has access to that same system as long as you keep bidding every week.

[ICountFrom0]

Literally not what I said. I said people who continue to constantly not win the lottery should be put in a higher priority for the NEXT week. Just because they are in higher priority still doesn't garuntee they'll be selected that week. But through a pattern of failures to get the lottery for housing, EVENTUALLY all that effort would pay off cuz they would eventually have a priority so high, that the system would naturally pick them.

That... is what I said, yes.

You want a better chance then other people. You want a ticket that gets you 1.1 chances, to win against people who have tickets that only have 1.0 chances.

That's not fair. Fair is the same chance, for everybody, no matter what.

You might be getting fair confused with equitable, but your not using that word.

[Solowing]

The chance to not win when there are 100 bidders:
0.99 = 99%
The chance to win at least once: 1 - 0.99 = 0.01 = 1%


The chance to not win 5 times when there are 100 bidders each time:
0.99*0.99*0.99*0.99*0.99 = 0.9509900499 = 95%
The chance to win at least once: 1 - 0.95 = 0.05 = 5%

The people who bid more times already have a higher chance to win at least once compared to players who just started to bid. Why should the odds be stacked against new bidders even more? People asked for a fair system and random is fair.

Because its "too" fair. This community was pleading for a very long time for the lottery system thinking it be their golden ticket to a easy house. Not realizing that making the system more accessible for all, would reduce their chances of getting a house. Its not longer first come first serve, its no longer the 3-5 dedicated people clicking a placard for 15 hours a day. Anyone who is ale to travel to the house and place a bid within a week can be entered into the raffle. The barrier to entry is lower now and that increases competition.

I mean people are saying instanced housing will solve everything. You think they wont put a demolishion timer on that? And allow 1 section of the player be free to come and go as they please with no penalty with the same size interior house, while the other has 45 days /14 days to not login before they lose their house? (not saying you, its just people want a solution but are ignoring issues that pop u with their solution.)

[Solowing]

the only benefit i would see from instanced housing everyone would be able to have a house , like the island , but they will not have the problem of losing there house after 45days, and not having the problem getting a small,medium or large plot.

So why would anyone logically choose a ward house if an instanced house removes the need for keeping a sub? Why would Square give you instanced housing, if they lose the ability to perpetually monetize people who have sunk cost fallacy? i mean personally ive kept my sub up for 8 years straight in part due to the housing, and the fact i own 2 of them. If i dont login within 14 days, i lose my fc leadership by extension my FC home, and if i dont login within 45 days i lose my private house. So i login daily to avoid the timer.

You can give me a reason to let my sub lapse for a few monthes or longer by letting that burden off my shoulders. But why would S.E willingly allow that income to go free?

[Toutatis]

if everyone had a house , gardening would be pointless , since the market would be flooded, but it already close to that now since all the new data travel and added wards. it like growing thavairian onion that take 4week to grow and only sell close to 100k now, that would drop heaps to the point not to grow anything if everyone had a house. but let say they dont added garden in instanced , then you would have people want a ward house for that reason and the same problem will still be there for them, wanting a house in a ward.

Growing onions is tedious and not that many people do it. There’s better and simpler things to grow if you are after gils. Many don’t even bother with gardening: there are empty gardens and lots of houses without one.

As for the current price of onions, it may have more to do with the fact that we are near the end of an expansion, most have their chocobos leveled up and there is less demand. You can get two onions for free playing the game so only 8 onions from gardening are needed to fully level up a chocobo. You’ll see the prices going up when xbox players join in and when 7.0 is released. Prices were similar at the end of ShB and jumped up to 500k when 6.0 came out.

Anyway, everyone who want a house should have the possibility to get one, not just those who get lucky. I have 3 houses and am 100% in favour of instanced houses. And the complaints from some people about instanced houses being unfair to people with a ward house are ridiculous. They’d be able to get an instanced house too.

[Solowing]

And the complaints about being unfair to people with a ward house are ridiculous. They’d be able to get an instanced house too.

Why would anyone chose a house that comes with a timer thatll nuke all the work you put into it within 45 days if you dont return?

Thats the question thats not getting an answer.

What would S.E benefit from allowing their perpetual cash cow to go free?

[Toutatis]

Couldn’t care less about what they do with my pixel houses if I decide to unsub. I even got rid of one recently and demolished 4 fully decorated fc rooms moving FCs. Plus the instanced housing would take care of that: just move. You’d even be able to have both. That’s far from unfair lol

I doubt the revenue from players remaining subbed just because of a pixel house in a game they don’t want to play is material. It’s probably peanuts. It’s more about making room for new players who want to play. No one is forced to remain subbed.

[lennit]

with a instanced housing you wouldn't lose your instance housing like a ward house, since everyone would get one , like the island

but ward house are still limited , unless they add like a 1000 wards, they still wouldn't cover the player base right now with only adding 2 or 4 wards here and there, with the xbox player coming, and a expansion on it's way. so they have to have penalties for wards. there not out to get you. they are just trying to cater the players. for one that don't have a house and are still looking. the penalty is your own , you have 45day to reset the time.
if you wanted me to cry for your own actions. i'm not, i'm crying for the players that cant get a house, those players drop there sub in the hundreds. in frustration of not been able to get one.

i have a small house on siren that i have not lost it for 2years now and i have been trying every time to get a medium with no luck. i placed a bid right up and in 12hour there already 44 bid and there 6 more days to go.
i have a medium fc and a large private on bismarck and i have to jump server every time to go into them, i have been going back and forward and i have not lost a house once in the whole time OCE running for these 2. And i don't plan to lose them if i can help it, the fault will be my own if i do. but i wouldn't quit over losing one, i would keep trying, and trying to get another. what else i got gil to spend on.

just because player want instanced house doesn't mean there going to remove wards. so there always, going to be players that want a ward and there well still only be a limited amount

[Solowing]

Couldn’t care less about what they do with my pixel houses if I decide to unsub. I even got rid of one recently and demolished 4 fully decorated fc rooms moving FCs. Plus the instanced housing would take care of that: just move. You’d even be able to have both. That’s far from unfair lol

I doubt the revenue from players remaining subbed just because of a pixel house in a game they don’t want to play is material. It’s probably peanuts. It’s more about making room for new players. No one is forced to remain subbed.

You arnt the target, if you dont care about your pixel house, you can quit anytime no issues. But people like myself whos invested time and effort into the system, would likely maintain their subscription to not lose that. Im not forced to play, but that demolishion time is a big incentive not to un-subscribe for me. Of course S.E benefits from me keeping my subscription active for nearly a decade straight to not lose it. You want a house rather than an apt? Quitting will make sure you never see a house, so you can stick around and continue to try your luck. Or you can forfeit and somebody whos willing to wait and try will take your place.

If your house is demo'd, they are hoping someone like myself snags it because that's perpetual free income for as long as a player is invested into it. Now if the demo timer were removed. I can take breaks for as long as i please indefinitely. Which will lose them money.

To address the other thing. People are already complaining about those who have 2 houses. I mean you can offer me a 3rd but people are gonna ask why is that fair? But why is it fair instanced houses wouldnt have the demo timer? Where you can break whenever you want, but i cant unless im willing to let all my work get destroyed?

(Edit: As a console user, rebuilding a house from the ground up takes a long time. New builds are one thing, redoing it all just to move locations? No thank you xD)