The Tragedy about Manderville vs Brilliant Relics

[Baxcel]

Starting pre-HW an quitting and returning mid StB I skipped or never had time for a lot of the older relics.. I did start some and worked a few once I was current with Euerka and so..

But being current in ShB it was nice having the quests from Bozja, grinding out my first full relic mostly inside of the zone itself was fun and seeing everyone showing off and linking the weapons so people could see them was great.. then having the option to have multiple of the quests in the journal to work on other weapons passively with roulettes and just idle messing around made it easy to get more weapons done.. it seemed like the perfect cross between grind able and passive relic farming..

Here in EW I don't feel the weapons have any impact.. theyre weaker then raid weapons and everyone can just drop the 1500 tomes for them an that's it.. there's no active activity for players to busy themselves and the passive grinding isn't really there either.. you have to actively use a level capped chr to get the tomes so leveling alt jobs won't let you earn the tomes.. it makes you chose between a relic or exp.. limiting what you can do while earning the relic.. ive gotten my main class relic and that's it.. leveling other jobs has been more important to me and since I can earn the tomes from leveling there's no real way to get more currently.. there's no players sharing the weapons in chat as they get them.. there's no real excitement over these weapons.. its a disappointment to grinders and casual players.. the only ones who seem happy with this are the players who play 1 job only and only do dailies before changing games.. those that see ff14 more as a chore then something to have fun playing..

Hopefully SE returns to the Bozja format for relics giving players options to earn weapons in different ways for their playstyle because this current version isn't the correct one.. not by a long shot.

[TomsYoungerBro]

I actually really hate the crafting relics. I made one and I lost interest in doing anymore. Decided I'd wait for possible cheese opportunities from future expansion changes. If that never happens then so be it, I'm not all that interested in these relics because the grind pushes me away.

And that is completely fine. The content just isn't for your tastes then. Not every piece of content has to be for everyone

[MisterNublet]

Judging from most of the posts in here and in previous threads complaining about it, the reasons really come out to a pretty thinly veiled complaint that too many people have a relic.
That the value only comes form fewer people owning one, and too many people earning it too fast somehow cheapens your experience and the worth of your item.
It's complete nonsense to me, you aren't "earning" anything more by doing 11 runs of syrcus tower in DF than the person doing hunt trains to get the tomes for the new relics.
60 runs of alexander isn't somehow more compelling than 2 days of roulettes or somehow takes more skill or effort.

It's that when the grind isn't abysmally boring and frustrating to do, more people do it and your shiny weapons aren't special anymore.
They never were special though, they're just a glowy weapon that looks kinda cool and is BiS for ultimate.

That is because SE lacks any kind of imagination. What if one of the steps required you to complete a route of the newest variant dungeon solo without taking a single vulnerability stack from a boss.

It gives players a challenge for one of the steps, you get to use your full PvE kit, gives life to the newest content in the game and a reason to run it, and you'll only have to run it once vs 15 times of syrcus tower!

[LilimoLimomo]

- Bunch of different specific Materials are needed
- Take notes to know how many of each mat I'll need
- Which ones do I wanna buy?
- Which ones do I wanna gather?
- I get to play both my gatherers
- Visit a bunch of places across the game
- Some mats are only available from Bicolor Gemstones
- Gemstones require engagement with FATEs
- I get to play with my Combat Jobs
- Hand craft all mats to HQ manually
- Get max yield from perfect crafts

I'm glad you like this but to me that sounds awful. I'm not a fan of the "tomestone-only" approach that EW's Relics have, but if I had to choose between what you're describing and grinding 1.5k tomestones, I'll take the tomestone grind because it sounds more enjoyable.

[TaleraRistain]

Hopefully SE returns to the Bozja format for relics giving players options to earn weapons in different ways for their playstyle because this current version isn't the correct one.. not by a long shot.

There's no reason a relic questline needs to be tied to an exploratory zone. And even if you can get updates outside Bozja, the story is still tied to it. You might consider going and doing anima from HW. That is a good example of a questline with a story that stands on its own and still has that balance between grindable and passive relic farming.

[sindriiisgaming]

So... I'm trying to make a real post about something that can be improved, but I sometimes get the feeling that some of you have never played an actual terrible game. Maybe you should go play Drake Of The 99 Dragons if you think XIV is a "dumpster fire" for real.

Hard to take you seriously when you phrase and frame your "contribution" like that... but you do you, I guess.

yikes? they were just trying to agree with you and you attack them because you didnt like HOW? makes it hard for me to empathise now incase i step on some eggshell

[NekoMataMata]

I actually really hate the crafting relics. I made one and I lost interest in doing anymore. Decided I'd wait for possible cheese opportunities from future expansion changes. If that never happens then so be it, I'm not all that interested in these relics because the grind pushes me away.

So basically waiting until we get level 100 crafters so you can spam Trained Eye? You can do that for all of the past crafter relics too, aside from the last step. The last step is an expert recipe if I remember right.

[ChrysOCE]

So basically waiting until we get level 100 crafters so you can spam Trained Eye? You can do that for all of the past crafter relics too, aside from the last step. The last step is an expert recipe if I remember right.

Yea. But you can brute force it anyway, with a macro. However, that was with penta-indagator gear. And I think it would be 90 (cap your crafters in DT), Trained Eye just needs 10lvl difference to be available. That's if you want these ones as glam, I guess.

[NekoMataMata]

Yea. But you can brute force it anyway, with a macro. However, that was with penta-indagator gear. And I think it would be 90 (cap your crafters in DT), Trained Eye just needs 10lvl difference to be available. That's if you want these ones as glam, I guess.

Or achievements. They're 20 points a step I believe.

[ReynTime]

Which is more self-centered and entitled?
A. Player who wishes the game would continue to offer different rewards for different levels of commitment in game content or
B. Player who thinks every content should require only the level of commitment THEY can put, because any and every reward they have their eyes on should be theirs no matter what

If your answer is A then I can only imagine you would prefer savage gear was easily obtained without doing savage at all too

To explain in a way entitled carebears "evewyone should have wewics" understand:
In Endwalker if the relics were a lot more time consuming and not just poetic handovers, and you complained they're too grindy, anyone else could just tell you "then go do other content", because you have no shortage of quick "no time" content to do.
The situation right now is reversed. Someone who wanted lasting grinding or more social pve content, they complain the EW relics don't provide any of that. You tell then "then go do other content"... Except there isn't any.

You have no right to tell people they're not in the right to be disappointed.