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    Dawntrail Media Tour Wishlist Survey

    Hello!

    A while back I created a job design feedback survey that recently resurfaced, but something I've had in mind was doing a fresh take on a community survey, this time focused more on what people want to see from their favorite jobs when the media tour for Dawntrail rolls around.

    This time, I spent a lot more time preparing a website just for the purpose of collecting feedback. If you'd like to take part in this data collection, follow the link below to fill out responses for as many jobs as you'd like.

    Dawntrail Media Tour Wishlist

    I don't just want to collect information from the forums, though, and I've already created a Reddit post about it as well. It's a lot tougher to keep a Reddit thread active than it is a thread on here, so if you'd like to help me keep collecting a wider variety of data, please share a comment or an upvote there as well. I would greatly appreciate it!

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    surprised to see this survey get more traction on r/ffxivdiscussion, but I suppose I should see that as a good thing since more people use reddit because of the forum's limitation of requiring a sub meaning that anyone that has quit the game can't voice their opinion here. I guess us forum peeps don't see the use in repeating points we've already said too.

    this is a well made survey, though. I find it interesting to see the results slowly pile in especially when the options are less nebulous this time around.
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    Last edited by VentVanitas; 09-27-2023 at 01:18 PM.

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    Surprised that so many people want more DPS spells for white mage, I thought people would rather get more heal checks or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ririta View Post
    Surprised that so many people want more DPS spells for white mage, I thought people would rather get more heal checks or something.
    Pft, unsurprisingly the inclination for more new attacks goes for all healers. Any healer main who plays for over an expansion knows that SE will always raise ILVL Sync crazily high so all the players who have issues with previous fights can clear it without too much difficulty at all. Heal checks alone mean nothing if you don't even feel the heal check after a while into the expansion. You just inevitably get the same old cut-dry Glare spam for the entire fight afterwards. After the ILVL sync increases, making people use Medica II once or twice more in the encounter for the "heal checks" really feels like nothing in the Grand Scheme of things when you end up pressing Glare over 150+ times. Endwalker did overdo the ilvl sync more than usual, but even in ShB the ILVL sync has really gotten out of hand... SoS went from a memorable fight where I did have to heal extensively for a normal trial to being an absolute joke to me. I'm pretty sure people want heal checks, but realistically know that's not going to be the only solution to the downtime problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ririta View Post
    Surprised that so many people want more DPS spells for white mage, I thought people would rather get more heal checks or something.
    it's not surprising to me at all. people reacting to Afflatus Misery in the ShB job action trailer was pretty much the only time the job actually generated some hype. I can tell you right now that if 7.0 suddenly unveiled that WHM has Tornado (not gonna happen, sorry WHM players) or some other big fancy attack people will be more excited for that than yet another healing skill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ririta View Post
    Surprised that so many people want more DPS spells for white mage, I thought people would rather get more heal checks or something.
    We got healing checks. We got Harrowing Hell, and Styx, and Superchains. We solve them with (relative) ease (compared to if such a mechanic was in, say, Heavensward) because Lilybell is ridiculously strong for anything that hits multiple times within 20s, it's an extra Medica cast for free. I, and I'm going to cautiously assume 'most others who asked for more DPS actions', acknowledge that we're basically at the 'critical overflow' point on healing checks and healing actions. It's just getting to the point where some of them feel like they're thrown in there, specifically to justify the existence of a new skill. Like all the multihit attacks like Styx are cool, but they're so far apart that you can have Panhaima up for every single one. Or the raidwide bleeds in P10S being so far apart you can Lilybell over half of them. It's ironically the same kind of vibe as the 180s Holmgang from SB, where WAR could solo over half of the 'this is meant for both tanks' tankbusters in each final fight.

    So I ask for more depth to the damage rotation, not necessarily because I think it's the better option, or the 'more thematic to the role' option, but because the sheer lack of depth currently means that even a small addition will have a massive 'percentage multiplier', amplifying it's reception by the playerbase. If we go from 3 regularly used damage GCDs on bosses as SCH (Broil, Bio, Energy Drain) to, say, 5 by adding two old DOTs back, that's a 66% increase in 'buttons we use for damage rotation'. But if we add those same 2 buttons, but as healing/mit abilities, we go from whatever we have now, 14 or whatever, to 16, it's a much smaller and more 'unnoticeable' percentage as compared to the current total. Which is what I would aim for, if i were in the dev's shoes: specific, targetted additions to the damage rotation, for the minimum amount of added buttons, but the maximum amount of 'effect' on the rotation to vary it up. I've previously said, changing Dia to 12s and adding one new GCD button on a 15s CD would take our 'Glare Per Minute' count from 18 all the way down to 11. It does not take massive changes to the hotbars, to create big impact on our rotation. Just balance potencies so that while maintaining Dia and using the new GCD are 'damage gain', keep said gain super low. Heck, make Glare 320, have Dia total to 350 over it's full duration, and have the new GCD be like 330. Now a casual player who cares not for optimization can just spam Glare, not even using the DOT, and still do over 85% of the damage of someone who's super-sweating for every last potency point

    Quote Originally Posted by VentVanitas View Post
    I can tell you right now that if 7.0 suddenly unveiled that WHM has Tornado (not gonna happen, sorry WHM players) or some other big fancy attack people will be more excited for that than yet another healing skill.
    I am also a chronic pessimist and so SE is completely powerless to disappoint me, as I expect not just nothing, but 'active decrease in fun levels' from the new additions in DT. I agree with the assertion that 'people would be way more hyped for Tornado, Flood, etc than another healing action' though. Consider also how hyped people were when Purgation was in the 6.1 trailer (cos they were teasing the PVP)
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    By the way, like with the last survey, anyone is free to share this anywhere if they want to.
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    Why no option for Blue Mage?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krokov View Post
    Why no option for Blue Mage?
    Because Blue Mage won't be showcased during the Media Tour or Job Actions trailer, which the survey is about.
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    Huh, I'm genuinely surprised to see BRD has a decent spread of higher scores despite a large drop in play rate after EW changes.
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