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    Quote Originally Posted by Avoidy View Post
    Embarrassing but not unexpected. Just look at this forum and the xiv subreddit. If you even hint at the game not being perfect here, you're accused of being a troll's alt account (because all criticism must only come from 1 man) and reported lol
    It never ceases to amaze me, given how many negative posts are made here, how many negative replies are made here, how positive posts are brigaded, and how positive players are attacked relentlessly, that any sane person can believe it's people "hint(ing) at the game not being perfect" that are the ones unwelcome or unfairly attacked.

    Note also Zepla had words for the other side, too. That the game isn't perfect, and there's nothing wrong with saying it, but it's also not dying and hopelessly broken, and people saying that are wrong, too. It's imperfect, as everything is, and there are always ways to improve something, even something already good.

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    The game isn't perfect, she's very much right. There are things worth changing or considering modification to. I think MOST everyone agrees on that. I've yet to see anyone argue that the game is flawless as it is and can't have some changes be made to better it. People disagree on what those changes might be, but everyone can point to at least some things they'd like to see worked on.

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    Won't let me post this separately for some reason, so here it is as an edit instead:

    Quote Originally Posted by Recon1o6 View Post
    while she's not wrong about these issues, she's completely missed the most important ones: jobs being crap and unrewarding to play (especially healers) and lack of repeatable content and midcore content
    A game literally cant function without a good gameplay loop and the poor content and poorer jobs are whats causing this game's decline
    To be fair, I think a lot of players enjoy the Jobs in the game right now, or at least some of them. Some of them are very low played compared to the others - BLM and MNK seem particular outliers in people just not playing them and presumably not liking them - but most Jobs are pretty well played. In the case of Healers, specifically, I agree there's no alternative there. They all have near identical DPS rotations and a "oGCD for Jesus" healing style...with the exception of WHM, anyway. Which also seems to be the most played. It would be nice for them to make some of them play differently than the others, and we'll see with the AST rework if they go in that direction or not.

    But that also doesn't mean the Jobs are "crap and unrewarding to play" so much as there aren't options for people that would enjoy something else. Personally, I think each role should offer a variety of playstyles so that players can find at least one from each role that they enjoy playing. IDEALLY each sub-role, too, but if someone finds WAR or PLD and WHM and SMN to be their style and want to just play those, more power to them. The Jobs themselves aren't bad just because some people don't enjoy them.

    Different people like different things, and it's okay that someone doesn't enjoy some of the options. The only issue is if there's NONE for people to enjoy. There are enough Jobs by now, and we're about to get two more, that there should be enough playstyles for everyone to find something they enjoy.
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    Last edited by Renathras; 09-25-2023 at 12:27 PM. Reason: Marked with EDIT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avoidy View Post
    Embarrassing but not unexpected. Just look at this forum and the xiv subreddit. If you even hint at the game not being perfect here, you're accused of being a troll's alt account[...]
    I would support this claim, if more people who post critic, would learn the actual difference between their personal, subjectiv opinion and facts (aka, just because i think something is bad, it does not mean, everyone have to think the same. See for example "unrewarding Jobs".)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tho-Much View Post
    "Das kann man nicht vergleichen" - Eine der dümmsten und ignorantesten Aussagen überhaupt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avoidy View Post
    Embarrassing but not unexpected. Just look at this forum and the xiv subreddit. If you even hint at the game not being perfect here, you're accused of being a troll's alt account (because all criticism must only come from 1 man) and reported lol
    i eagerly await the day im called a titanmen alt or something else stupid
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    Its kinda embarrassing that she needs to open with a disclaimer, out of fear of this award winning community's backlash, for implying this game may have faults.
    its most sad that its justified. zepla is extremly polarising figure in the community. many just cant bring themselves to like her or whatever she has to say. i noticed shes tried pandering wayyyy to much to both sides, for example in 1 video she made a "ffxiv is the worst expansion" in another "postive things in dawntrail" and in that video i was actually annoyed, because she backtracked on her previous video and even said "we can look forward to the Xbox players!!!" so i feel a lot of people who try to side with her on 1 point get there opinion invalidated by her on the next, however this could all just be looking into it waay to much. but that said, there are a lot of people on these forums in particular that will try to silance u if you say the game needs help, has faults or is dying. its not being made up. ive had it said to me on mY posts, seen it in others. IDK why these people fear so much the idea of the game improving but its almost like they want to afk haf the year and expect every1 else too for whatever justified reasons
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    Quote Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming View Post
    its most sad that its justified. zepla is extremly polarising figure in the community. many just cant bring themselves to like her or whatever she has to say. i noticed shes tried pandering wayyyy to much to both sides, for example in 1 video she made a "ffxiv is the worst expansion" in another "postive things in dawntrail" and in that video i was actually annoyed, because she backtracked on her previous video and even said "we can look forward to the Xbox players!!!" so i feel a lot of people who try to side with her on 1 point get there opinion invalidated by her on the next, however this could all just be looking into it waay to much. but that said, there are a lot of people on these forums in particular that will try to silance u if you say the game needs help, has faults or is dying. its not being made up. ive had it said to me on mY posts, seen it in others. IDK why these people fear so much the idea of the game improving but its almost like they want to afk haf the year and expect every1 else too for whatever justified reasons
    yeah how dare she talk about both the positives and negatives

    she only has to pick one

    what kind of take is this
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    Last edited by Stormpeaks; 09-25-2023 at 07:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    Its kinda embarrassing that she needs to open with a disclaimer, out of fear of this award winning community's backlash, for implying this game may have faults.
    There's a Gw2 content creator that made a video criticizing the faults of the previous expansion and literally closes by saying that maybe having criticism is negative, apologizes and says the players shouldn't criticize. Worst part is that he wasn't being sarcastic.

    We are slowly heading that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    Its kinda embarrassing that she needs to open with a disclaimer, out of fear of this award winning community's backlash, for implying this game may have faults.
    People only apologize if they think their takes will be considered bad to a large margin of people. Otherwise they wouldn't feel the need to apologize and be more firm in their stance. You can see it on these forums for any controversial opinion.
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    99.99% chance probably a Titanman alt

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    tldr for those who cba to watch

    Zepla mentions the following issues in no particular order

    1. Netcode
    2. Glamour dresser
    3. Gearing taking forever
    4. Menus/inventory system
    5. Difficulty of installing/setting up your account
    6. Level sync removing actions

    while she's not wrong about these issues, she's completely missed the most important ones: jobs being crap and unrewarding to play (especially healers) and lack of repeatable content and midcore content
    A game literally cant function without a good gameplay loop and the poor content and poorer jobs are whats causing this game's decline
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    Quote Originally Posted by Recon1o6 View Post
    tldr for those who cba to watch

    Zepla mentions the following issues in no particular order

    1. Netcode
    2. Glamour dresser
    3. Gearing taking forever
    4. Menus/inventory system
    5. Difficulty of installing/setting up your account
    6. Level sync removing actions

    while she's not wrong about these issues, she's completely missed the most important ones: jobs being crap and unrewarding to play (especially healers) and lack of repeatable content and midcore content
    A game literally cant function without a good gameplay loop and the poor content and poorer jobs are whats causing this game's decline
    Wait she didnt mention wanting another bozja? I feel like that was a very big point in the big video about why endwalker is her least liked expansion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orinori View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao
    Quote Originally Posted by os12ispeak View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    Wait she didnt mention wanting another bozja? I feel like that was a very big point in the big video about why endwalker is her least liked expansion.
    Feel like the video was more aimed at technical/functional fixes, rather than content fixes. Haven't see her post the "casual" issues that she said she was going to do.

    And yea, it's telling that she has to open the video with that kind of disclaimer. But then, look at her other video and the amount of responses to that thread that focused on how she said things, as opposed to the actual ideas.
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