Young players are not going to play FF14

[Jojoya]

I mean I think the game won't get younger players because it isn't available on mobile, at least from interacting with my brother's kids and chatting with them about gaming. They are all about whatever they can play on their phones and only recently started playing stuff on my brother's consoles and even then it is mainly just cross platform games already on their phones.

When you say "kids", what age range are you referring to?

I think a lot of people are misinterpreting YoshiP's comments to mean children when he's referring to young adults in their early to mid 20s. The game has a considerable amount of content that most parents aren't going to find suitable for their young children (and they probably don't try to control what their teens are playing). Once someone is in their 20s, they're far more likely to have been exposed to PCs (frequently using them for work and other purposes) and would have friends who own gaming consoles if they don't have one themselves.

Keep in mind that the average age for MMORPG players has risen into the early to mid 30s according to various surveys I've seen online Those under 30 are going to be considered "younger players" in comparison.

[Striker44]

Go any day, enter party finder, take a screenshot, and help us count how many Venue/ERP ads are there compared to actual parties. Go to the subreddit and check the AFK at Limsa threads, or go to Limsa yourself. Also, how many other MMO communities have used real life billboard ads to promote clubs or have an ERP scene so prevalent that content creators have interviewed virtual sex workers?

I don't know how to post screenshots on here, but it's currently 2:28pm Eastern Time, and on Gilgamesh server (Aether), there are at this instant 1 Dungeon group, 5 Trials groups, 8 Raid groups, 52 High-End Duty groups, and 10 Other groups.

(And of those 10 Other groups, only 4 appear to be venue-related. 3 are either selling gear/items or carries, 1 is advertising sketches, and 2 are FC recruitments that don't seem to mention venues or an RP scene specifically.)

Oh, did reality not fit what you implied would be the case?

[Stormpeaks]

I don't know how to post screenshots on here, but it's currently 2:28pm Eastern Time, and on Gilgamesh server (Aether), there are at this instant 1 Dungeon group, 5 Trials groups, 8 Raid groups, 52 High-End Duty groups, and 10 Other groups.

(And of those 10 Other groups, only 4 appear to be venue-related. 3 are either selling gear/items or carries, 1 is advertising sketches, and 2 are FC recruitments that don't seem to mention venues or an RP scene specifically.)

Oh, did reality not fit what you implied would be the case?

"Let me go on the only datacenter that actually has groups for content"

"Well see there's content and barely any venues !!"

lmao

FYI I went on Crystal

2 Trials duties
3 Raids
1 Fate
11 Venues/Others

I'll do you the honors and even go on primal just for you, lets not even talk about dynamis which as 0 PF's except 1 other, and that one is for roulettes

Primal :

6 Trial duties, some underleveled (not end game duties)
1 Raid
1 High End duty
5 Venues/Other

Also to take in mind the time it is right now, since a lot of venue advertise in the evening and not all day long.

But just for the honors of Dynamis
0 Trial duties
0 Raid
0 High End
1 Venues/Other

[Turtledeluxe]

The game is reaching the point where the engine is so dated and the story is so old that it's reaching WoW levels of existence where it will always maintain a moderate level of interest. It's too funny that the hardcore forum base thinks that is good. Even better if you're fooling yourself into thinking the active population is going to grow over time as this game just becomes older and more outdated.

People are scared of the truth imo that younger generations are leaning more into mobile and free to play, 20+ players who play now are slowly filtering out and will filter out more over time as the game has opted for this WoW path. Streamers who play this game are already leaning into other IP like Genshin in between the major expansion. That's a long time BTW-- time for people to realize maybe the glory days of XIV were the Ascian plot line. I mean lots of MMOs are still alive-- look at GW2. I don't think these games are going to collapse, but they will just be relics people temporarily indulge in for the big releases and whales/hardcore players will sustain it between cycles.

Even Asmongold doesn't play WoW anymore (and has tried BTW).

[Xirean]

Why exactly are PF venue ads a problem or even surprising? PF listing for instances will fill then leave the listing. Venue ads don't fill a party, they just get people to the venue location. There's no expected time of it going down until the venue closes. Of course there's going to be a lot of venue listing that compete or exceed the number of listing for other stuff.

[ZephyrMenodora]

I don't know how to post screenshots on here, but it's currently 2:28pm Eastern Time, and on Gilgamesh server (Aether), there are at this instant 1 Dungeon group, 5 Trials groups, 8 Raid groups, 52 High-End Duty groups, and 10 Other groups.

(And of those 10 Other groups, only 4 appear to be venue-related. 3 are either selling gear/items or carries, 1 is advertising sketches, and 2 are FC recruitments that don't seem to mention venues or an RP scene specifically.)

Oh, did reality not fit what you implied would be the case?

From what I gather since we are not on Balmung our world experiences are just much different than theirs when it comes to ERP lol.

[Bonoki]

From what I gather since we are not on Balmung our world experiences are just much different than theirs when it comes to ERP lol.

I mean this in an extremely polite way as much as I can. But your world experiences is different just for playing a male character. This is factored in way before server, which also plays a point. It's still not really difficult to open up PF or Fellowship Finder or heck, community finder and see 18+ listings all over the place though.

[ZephyrMenodora]

I mean this in an extremely polite way as much as I can. But your world experiences is different just for playing a male character. This is factored in way before server, which also plays a point. It's still not really difficult to open up PF or Fellowship Finder or heck, community finder and see 18+ listings all over the place though.

That is a fair point. I stopped playing female characters years ago due to how often I’d get asked for ERP even just standing around town. This was back in the day in EverQuest so been a thing for a long time in MMOs.

[Xeronia]

When you say "kids", what age range are you referring to?

I think a lot of people are misinterpreting YoshiP's comments to mean children when he's referring to young adults in their early to mid 20s. The game has a considerable amount of content that most parents aren't going to find suitable for their young children (and they probably don't try to control what their teens are playing). Once someone is in their 20s, they're far more likely to have been exposed to PCs (frequently using them for work and other purposes) and would have friends who own gaming consoles if they don't have one themselves.

Keep in mind that the average age for MMORPG players has risen into the early to mid 30s according to various surveys I've seen online Those under 30 are going to be considered "younger players" in comparison.

I would say I meant the 13-20 bracket. 20+ I would argue are adults in terms of wording. You simply aren't getting the teenage market because they consume media and entertainment in a far different manner. 20+ is what the game should be aiming for but I am not sure Endwalker really made any inroads to get that demographic much either and honestly I am not sure what could be done to get it.

[Striker44]

FYI I went on Crystal

2 Trials duties
3 Raids
1 Fate
11 Venues/Others

Primal :

6 Trial duties, some underleveled (not end game duties)
1 Raid
1 High End duty
5 Venues/Other

But just for the honors of Dynamis
0 Trial duties
0 Raid
0 High End
1 Venues/Other

Why does the negative echo chamber love posting data that only proves them wrong? LOL? Adding your data to mine, we have a total of 13 Trials, 11 Raids, and 53 High-End Duties, versus only 27 "Other" groups, not all of which are even venues. So thank you for confirming that combining all the DC's shows that "actual" parties significantly outnumber venues at this snapshot in time.

See, this is why people point out the dishonesty in the negative cabal. The original poster challenged us to post ANY time what was in PF of "actual parties" vs. "venue/ERP" ads. I did that. You added more data, ignoring that some of your "other" groups likely aren't even venue ads (only 40% of my "other" were), trying to discredit some of the "real parties" for not being "end game" (they're still parties engaging in "real" content!!!), and it still shows about 3 times as many "actual parties" as venues.

You also conveniently ignored the level of activity within each DC, trying to act as if they're somehow equivalent. That would be like looking at America and saying "Hey - I took 4 states and found 3 of the 4 were primarily conservative, therefore all of America must be!" Meanwhile, those 3 were Wyoming, North Dakota, and South Dakota, while the 4th was California, which is primarily liberal and absolutely dwarfs the other three combined in population. (Yes, the USA is bigger than those 4 states - just take it for the analogy being made.)

It's okay to accept that you're wrong sometimes.

Also to take in mind the time it is right now, since a lot of venue advertise in the evening and not all day long.

Very true. I only did it now because the person I responded to challenged someone to post the data at any time, not within a specific window. If I get the chance, I'll post again during evening hours with an updated count. (For comparison, it's a bit later in the afternoon now, and Aether is currently at 67 High-End Duties vs. 12 Other - with 5 of those "Other" not being venue ads.)