Young players are not going to play FF14

[Kes13a]

I would also argue the game came at the right place at the right time when online social interaction was starting to boom. That in of itself caused so many casual people who didnt even fully play the game but instead used it as a medium to interact and hang out with friends.

they arent wrong though, they changed gaming, and all because they basically did aggressive marketing. did it improve gaming, no, I think there is a lot of arguments against them making it 'better'. but they did change the landscape, and the way that execs thought of the gaming community. good or bad, it brought people like the OP and others into games

[Jojoya]

MMO players can't handle the fact that MMOs are now culturally irrelevant and are indeed less relevant than a random mobile game. You're trapped in your bubble and definitely do not talk to the mainstream at all if you believe that.

Or MMO players have grown up enough not to care about what is "culturally relevant" and they aren't interested in the mobile games.

They play what is fun to them, not what social media tries to convince them to play.

I'd agree that most younger adults will have little interest in MMOs these days - unless they grew up playing them side-by-side with their parents, relatives or other friends who were introduced by their own families. They're too used to mobile gaming since mobiles phones are so widespread and easy to get now while mobile phones weren't at the height of MMO popularity. They were starting to get mainstream but weren't quite there yet.

You sound like you're trapped in a bubble of your own.

[Vyrerus]

You're trapped in your bubble and definitely do not talk to the mainstream at all if you believe that.

If MMOs were niche and wanted to continue appealing to their niche, then they wouldn't dumb things down repeatedly and try to become more inviting. At every turn, FFXIV has done this, and sure as shoot isn't to try and be a good game for the original target audience.

Other companies also wouldn't keep trying to make successful MMOs with easy to approach systems.

Gaming in general has also done this, spreading and spreading. Ever widening who and what is considering gamers/gaming. The mainstream changes with time, too. What's true about it, is it will access whatever is easiest. Free to play generally tends to be easy to access.


At the end of the day, the execs don't care how or what you're playing, just that you're hooked on their game and giving them money. They will reduce the quality of your game at the expense of your experience, longtime customer, in exchange for gaining 10 new customers. Or if it lets them cut the budget and move devs elsewhere.

Also, young kids don't generally get to access subscription based games in the first place, due to a lack of money and credit card on their part. To play an MMO as an adolescent, your parent has to allow you to or not care that you're swiping their CC. Or your old sibling. Or your rich uncle. The idea is to appeal to the youth who has that already, or who is about to have that.

[Noumenon]

Have you been living under a rock for the past few decades or so? How do you explain WoW's initial success where everyone played it and broke out into this cultural phenomenon. It was THE game; and it happened to be an MMO.

Happened 15 years ago, and will never happen again.

Poll the average person and none of them will know what an "MMO" is but they'll know what Candy Crush or Fortnite is.

[RitsukoSonoda]

Happened 15 years ago, and will never happen again.

Poll the average person and none of them will know what an "MMO" is but they'll know what Candy Crush or Fortnite is.

And the 2 titles you mentioned are the reason why the audience he's trying to target can't afford an MMO subscription... >.>

[MistakeNot]

Even if young players do play this game, this game is so 18+ ERP heavy oriented that, that teen isn't going to find a place to fit in around here very easily without a whole lot of lying.

The game isn't oriented that way. Some players are, but you mostly don't notice much of it unless you go looking for it.

[MistakeNot]

Happened 15 years ago, and will never happen again.

Poll the average person and none of them will know what an "MMO" is but they'll know what Candy Crush or Fortnite is.

I suppose I am not an average person.
Candy Crush is some mobile game that is supposed to have been very successful. And that is all I know about it.
Fortnite I have heard mentioned. It appears to be popular. I have no idea what kind of game it is.

[sindriiisgaming]

Noumenon Vs CBU3
the saga you never signed up for continues

[Snorky]

Noumenon Vs CBU3
the saga you never signed up for continues

What makes that even funnier is WoW came out in 2004, 19 years ago. But prior to that in 1994 Orcs vs Humans was the precursor, two more Warcraft games would come out after that. Final Fantasy series of games came out in 1987. EQ was king prior (in the west) to that having came out in 1999. The reason WoW was so popular, besides the games prior to the MMO were fun was they didn't punish players as harshly as EQ. De-leveling is not fun, having to run to your body is not fun, having to constantly group to progress is not fun. Lastly gaming is in a constant state of change. There will always be new players available to replace others who moved own. MMOs do have a shelf life

[sindriiisgaming]

What makes that even funnier is WoW came out in 2004, 19 years ago. But prior to that in 1994 Orcs vs Humans was the precursor, two more Warcraft games would come out after that. Final Fantasy series of games came out in 1987. EQ was king prior to that having came out in 1999. The reason WoW was so popular, besides the games prior to the MMO were fun was they didn't punish players as harshly as EQ. De-leveing is not fun, having to run to your body is not fun, having to constantly group to progress is not fun. Lastly gaming is in a constant state of change. There will always be new players available to replace others who moved own. MMOs do have a shelf life

ive been playing wow classic and while its lack of QOL does frustrate the hell out of me (especially using a controller mod) i am enjoying the return to a classic mmo feel, and i think i could be content having each on the side. ik 14 has its issues, many of them im sure will get fixed. but 14 is just never gona be the best of wow. and perhaps thats for the best because even the best of wow is still very polarising