Young players are not going to play FF14

[DPZ2]

And to be clear who made it about players under 18? Yoshi P did by making references to popular games. Maybe there's a chance he's talking about 20 to 35. I doubt it. I mean even if he is, a lot of them are playing those other games anyway.

Yoshida did not make it about the under-18 crowd. He's very clear who he's aiming for: "That's why we don't feel those types of games are a threat because the basic game is designed completely differently. Because the audience that's playing Overwatch and Fortnite are probably in their 20s, they're a younger audience. If that younger audience becomes our main audience for FF14 or our current MMORPG ..."

Did he mention an under-18 crowd? No, he did not.

[Raven2014]

And to be clear who made it about players under 18? Yoshi P did by making references to popular games. Maybe there's a chance he's talking about 20 to 35. I doubt it. I mean even if he is, a lot of them are playing those other games anyway.

Oh I see, so this whole issue is because you assume "young player" = under 18? Uh, I have never heard about such thing. Also, 20->35 is a very long stretch. more like 20'. Also, watching Yoshi's interview over the years I'm pretty sure the young player he's referring to are people in their 20'. Like college age students or people who just joining the workforce. Several times, He had cited his encounters with these people on the street or in the subway when he commute to work, and those encounters are part of what inspired him to make the game for those people. And it's not just him, personally that's exactly the age group I would assume too when I heard "young player", and and not the under 18.

Another pointer is he had, more then once explain the reason FF14 is designed the way it is because he wants to acknowledge that everyone is busy with life and work, and he wants FF14 to be a game people can come and relax and unwind, that's his "expressed" wish ... That doesn't sound like something you would say if you're talking about people under 18.

[Turtledeluxe]

Yoshida did not make it about the under-18 crowd. He's very clear who he's aiming for: "That's why we don't feel those types of games are a threat because the basic game is designed completely differently. Because the audience that's playing Overwatch and Fortnite are probably in their 20s, they're a younger audience. If that younger audience becomes our main audience for FF14 or our current MMORPG ..."

Did he mention an under-18 crowd? No, he did not.

Well he's unknowingly talking about them then because I highly doubt the audience of Fornite is dominant 20+. If it is then that's something that maybe occurred over time and reached that average very recently.

[Turtledeluxe]

Oh I see, so this whole issue is because you assume "young player" = under 18? Uh, I have never heard about such thing. Also, 20->35 is a very long stretch. more like 20'. Also, watching Yoshi's interview over the years I'm pretty sure the young player he's referring to are people in their 20'. Like college age students or people who just joining the workforce. Several times, He had cited his encounters with these people on the street or in the subway when he commute to work, and those encounters are part of what inspired him to make the game for those people. And it's not just him, personally that's exactly the age group I would assume too when I heard "young player", and and not the under 18.

Another pointer is he had, more then once explain the reason FF14 is designed the way it is because he wants to acknowledge that everyone is busy with life and work, and he wants FF14 to be a game people can come and relax and unwind, that's his "expressed" wish ... That doesn't sound like something you would say if you're talking about people under 18.

Actually it does. I don't know if you have ever been a teenager but I definitely never came home full of energy. I worked and went to school for a portion of that time too.

Forgot to mention for both posts, then why is Yoshi P ever talking about this? It's very obvious XIV has tons of 20 somethings playing it. Very obvious. He has also referenced "today's gamer" and that would mean the current generation of new gamers. Why would that be 20+ when a. It's not representative of the population at all and b. As I said XIV already has the attention of people in their 20s?

[Xirean]

Well he's unknowingly talking about them then because I highly doubt the audience of Fornite is dominant 20+. If it is then that's something that maybe occurred over time and reached that average very recently.

Then you simply think he is wrong about the demographic of a player base for a game he doesn't run. That doesn't mean he is trying to cater to under 18s. He flat stated the age range he expected and was looking to cater to.

[Bonoki]

Well he's unknowingly talking about them then because I highly doubt the audience of Fornite is dominant 20+. If it is then that's something that maybe occurred over time and reached that average very recently.

I think the audience is 20, but not strictly solely 20. The audience scope is much MUCH bigger than some block of 20 - 25. They are not the only ones playing Fortnite and that's why I dislike the example. That's like saying I want to use Pokemon to target 10 - 15 year olds but it's entirely dismissive of the older audience that actually is playing the game.

Basically, I completely understand what Yoshi P is trying to say, but I think his example was incorrectly and ignorantly used. That's about it really. Nevermind the fact that we're using a 4 year old article to make a point like it has any relevancy today.

[Turtledeluxe]

Then you simply think he is wrong about the demographic of a player base for a game he doesn't run. That doesn't mean he is trying to cater to under 18s. He flat stated the age range he expected and was looking to cater to.

Yes and the reason I'm clarifying that is because in my second reply I mentioned that this whole subject makes no sense if Yoshi P is trying to attract a college audience. College audience and 20 somethings do play XIV. The ones that don't are playing all of the viral games because this is 10 year old game and it shows. A lot. His dream of getting Fornite and Overwatch fans didn't work with even XVI. FF is long, single player, story heavy. XIV has the benefit of multilayer but going back to what I was saying, it has likely reached saturation with Endwalker being that it's so unapproachable and outdated now. The only people who can't see that are people who make MMOs their entire life. Maybe that's Yoshi P.

Additionally it will be very interesting to see if the declining population explodes and reverses course given than the thing everyone talks about regarding XIV that isn't outdated (amazing story) is over. The Ascian story is over. Not only does that make it a good time to check out it you followed it all 10 years but the next story has to deliver for that to be a selling point and tbh, so far, story is the biggest lacking factor of 7.0 by far. In my opinion this is a big contributing factor no one is really mentioning because they assume the declining subs are strictly content oriented (ie relics and exploratory).

[Turtledeluxe]

I think the audience is 20, but not strictly solely 20. The audience scope is much MUCH bigger than some block of 20 - 25. They are not the only ones playing Fortnite and that's why I dislike the example. That's like saying I want to use Pokemon to target 10 - 15 year olds but it's entirely dismissive of the older audience that actually is playing the game.

Basically, I completely understand what Yoshi P is trying to say, but I think his example was incorrectly and ignorantly used. That's about it really. Nevermind the fact that we're using a 4 year old article to make a point like it has any relevancy today.

Agreed. On top of that, not to keep saying it, but 20 to 25 do play XIV. If he's talking about more of them doing so, then the discussion has moved from me misinterpriting him to him possibly being delusional.

And I'm not trying to insult him. I mean to say XIV is massive. It has made SE more money than XI did. It has reached 27m players over 10 years. What more does he want exactly? I think it's completely unreasonable and out of line to assume XIV will infinitely grow based on the frankly, very minor things they've done to make this game appeal to a wider audience. Gamers today don't want to be treated like they are dumb and impatient. That's what the echo chamber here says but literally every successful game today shows otherwise.

And to put the nail in the coffin, the games subs are declining harder than any other post expansion. If dumbing the game down and making it single player is so awesome, why hasn't it offset the story concluding?? The real truth is that streamers plus the hype of Endwalker being the end helped XiV hit a "all time high" that it would be lucky and blessed to ever see again.

[IkaraGreydancer]

They're both live service titles. The inclusion of gacha is irrelevant. Genshin also isn't even a true MMO, yet I still compared them. It isn't so much about the genre as much as it is games competing for younger audience's time. As I said in the post.

YOU compare them. You aren't the masses tbf. Most people don't compare Gachas to MMOs. The very fact that gacha is a part of a game changes quite a bit about the game's systems. Call me when Resin stops me from doing something in XIV then ill agree with you.

[RitsukoSonoda]

YOU compare them. You aren't the masses tbf. Most people don't compare Gachas to MMOs. The very fact that gacha is a part of a game changes quite a bit about the game's systems. Call me when Resin stops me from doing something in XIV then ill agree with you.

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I also ate all the gathering nodes... <.<