CBU3 has abandoned us

[MintnHoney]

Is it possible for someone to abandon something they didn't really attend to in the first place?

[poptarts12]

They no longer care about any feedback beyond feedback that is extremely trivial and low cost to implement like alliance raid ilvl issues.

In multiple interviews, they are now outright dismissing player concerns or stating outright falsehoods (like DC travel being a JP only issue).

Since CBU3 no longer cares about the game there is no need for players to care about FF14 anymore.

They've always only ever cared about the JP feedback, never the western feedback. The only time they'll listen to us is when the ship is sinking. With that said. The recent interviews are absolutely terrible news, and anyone expecting change from the EW model in Dawntrail will be extremely disappointed, myself included. EW style of "once and done" content is looking like it's going to be the norm. The game had a good run, but this is where I check out.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

They no longer care about any feedback beyond feedback that is extremely trivial and low cost to implement like alliance raid ilvl issues.

In multiple interviews, they are now outright dismissing player concerns or stating outright falsehoods (like DC travel being a JP only issue).

Since CBU3 no longer cares about the game there is no need for players to care about FF14 anymore.

I dont personally agree with this....but I am curious.
Does this mean people will actually start leaving to show SE and Devs a True message? Or will we see the Usual posters come in and just say the same things next patch / Expansion?

Not like I want it to happen to the game...but when will people finally learn that Metrics matter more then blasting Forums? Especially on a Forum where people have said many, Many, MANY times, that they dont listen. Yet continue to complain like anything will change? And Keep feeding the game money.
Im still gonna be here to SEE for myself if there will be improvements in Dawntrail. If not, and if the game starts to become Unfun even for a Casual like me, then Im out.
I have no sunken Cost, Im not chained to the game. If it cant prove, Im just out.
Maybe by people leaving, they can wake up, and actually reach out for answers instead of that Questionnaire. .

[Kaliesto]

Honestly, maybe the only real way to reach these devs is through the JPN square enix website with their corporate emails listed (which seems to be a thing with other JPN counterpart Studios like Capcom).

If the devs. don't want to read what we have to say directly, lets take it to their executives and see what the tree shakes out because I literally have no more ideas at this point.

[IkaraGreydancer]

They've always only ever cared about the JP feedback, never the western feedback. The only time they'll listen to us is when the ship is sinking. With that said. The recent interviews are absolutely terrible news, and anyone expecting change from the EW model in Dawntrail will be extremely disappointed, myself included. EW style of "once and done" content is looking like it's going to be the norm. The game had a good run, but this is where I check out.

Probably false but alright see ya.

I dont personally agree with this....but I am curious.
Does this mean people will actually start leaving to show SE and Devs a True message? Or will we see the Usual posters come in and just say the same things next patch / Expansion?

Not like I want it to happen to the game...but when will people finally learn that Metrics matter more then blasting Forums? Especially on a Forum where people have said many, Many, MANY times, that they dont listen. Yet continue to complain like anything will change? And Keep feeding the game money.
Im still gonna be here to SEE for myself if there will be improvements in Dawntrail. If not, and if the game starts to become Unfun even for a Casual like me, then Im out.
I have no sunken Cost, Im not chained to the game. If it cant prove, Im just out.
Maybe by people leaving, they can wake up, and actually reach out for answers instead of that Questionnaire. .

I've said this for months and it's always met with pushback. "Vote with your wallet" isn't a liked mantra around here for some odd reason. I pay my sub because I enjoy playing the game (as a vet mind you) with my fc and friends. If this wasn't the case I wouldn't be paying. It's simple really...or rather you'd think it was. Folks need their place to vent ig and they're willing to pay 15$ a month to have it.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I've said this for months and it's always met with pushback. "Vote with your wallet" isn't a liked mantra around here for some odd reason. I pay my sub because I enjoy playing the game (as a vet mind you) with my fc and friends. If this wasn't the case I wouldn't be paying. It's simple really...or rather you'd think it was. Folks need their place to vent ig and they're willing to pay 15$ a month to have it.

Ive had this conversation with people IRL who love to say "It doesnt work"
True....because not everybody is doing it. Which then means; According to the metrics, there are people who either dont care, or people that like / Enjoy it. So they will continue to pay, play & Support. It wont work...until a Large enough Metric joins in and unsubscribes AND leave feedback.
Its probably been established for many years, the Metrics Point UP. If you want them to do down and give them a message....Vote - With - Your - Wallet.
It REALLY IS that simple, but people will just create excuses not to do it. And will continue to pay, keeping that Metric up.

Before we get any idiots. The game isn't perfect, always make your voice heard.
But we should stop and think...if moaning, complaining, Criticisms and getting into fights and trolling eachother are not leading to changes you want.
Then its time to change Tactics on how you get the message across. A good way?
The Wallet.
Is this not what leads to change in most cases?

[Avoidy]

This logic has always been weird. What good is a house in a game you don't enjoy? Paying 15$ a month to keep a house you're most likely doing nothing with makes no sense. Folks will blame SE but it's the players making the choice to fork over that money.

It's not that hard to understand. People spent time and gil getting their house and decorating it. It's an achievement they accomplished in the game and they don't want it to disappear just because they were gone for a little while. It's the same reason you don't just give all your stuff away every time you take a month off of XIV. Because you want the things you worked for to be there when you get back.

That said, speaking as a big big decorating enthusiast, if the new allied raid sucks I will take a lot of pics of my house and then sadly kiss it goodbye because there're just better games/services I could spend the 15 a month/180 a year on.

[Stormpeaks]

Ive had this conversation with people IRL who love to say "It doesnt work"
True....because not everybody is doing it. Which then means; According to the metrics, there are people who either dont care, or people that like / Enjoy it. So they will continue to pay, play & Support. It wont work...until a Large enough Metric joins in and unsubscribes AND leave feedback.
Its probably been established for many years, the Metrics Point UP. If you want them to do down and give them a message....Vote - With - Your - Wallet.
It REALLY IS that simple, but people will just create excuses not to do it. And will continue to pay, keeping that Metric up.

Before we get any idiots. The game isn't perfect, always make your voice heard.
But we should stop and think...if moaning, complaining, Criticisms and getting into fights and trolling eachother are not leading to changes you want.
Then its time to change Tactics on how you get the message across. A good way?
The Wallet.
Is this not what leads to change in most cases?

Hmm let's see...

Free Company Housing was released in Patch 2.1 - Release Date 17 Dec 2013
Personal Housing was introduced in Patch 2.38 - Release Date 8 Jul 2014

(source : https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Player_Housing)

As of today, we still have an auto demolition system that forces people to stay subscribed in order to not lose their houses, because of a so called housing crisis that in reality is created by SE themselves to boost their subscribers numbers for the shareholders.

How did "being nice" work in regards to that ? As much as I'd hate it personally, where is the instanced housing ? Where are the new wards aside from W25 to 30, why are there still multiple hundreds of people bidding on a single large on NA ?

Surely being nice and giving feedback would work right ?

And yet here we are, nothing is fixed.

By your opinion

Then its time to change Tactics on how you get the message across. A good way?
The Wallet.

Player A who started in 2013-2014 disagrees with the housing system being so restrictive and limited, should they have unsubscribed back then and stopped playing all together ? What would that have done now 10 years later ? The problem is still there.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Player A who started in 2013-2014 disagrees with the housing system being so restrictive and limited, should they have unsubscribed back then and stopped playing all together ? What would that have done now 10 years later ? The problem is still there.

We will never know...because we never committed to it as a collective.
We need MORE people doing it and not just a handful of people on the forums, we need more people posibly "voting with their wallets" and possibly leaving, because of housing.

Also there are people like myself who dont care about housing / have given up on housing. So, we dont really contribute to this issue and don't help or harm it.

[CStrife912]

I would say the best thing to do is to just vote with your wallet and leave but after seeing your posts and threads lately it’s easy to ascertain who you are so you need your alts for ‘other activities’ so all your doing is rather than make points just causing drama. We honestly need a mega thread for all this sort of stuff it would be better for the forum… not saying the discussion can’t be had but making the front page be loaded with it all is just getting silly at this point