CBU3 has abandoned us

[Alexandre_Noireau]

It has been notorious for all but old players that are not in the very long "honeymoon phase" with the game, or the few, yet very vocal: white knights. That the game is recieving less and less as the time passes.

What kind of less, we don't exactly know.
But in basically all game content, we have either recived what is to be expected of a subscription based game, or less.

Be this fault of the CBU3 dedicating their time to now multiple projects. Be this just overall tiredness on this project, lack of new faces, just stagnation or lack of resources. The result seems to be the same:

Endwalker is a very brief, feature-less expansion.
Compared to Shadowbringers is basically just a new patch series rather than a expansion.
Compared to Stormblood the content is just less and lacking.
Compared to Heavensward lacks theming, atmosphere, drive, cohesion.
Compared to A Realm Reborn lacks growth. Im not seeing the over 10 years experience being put to use into anything interesting that has not been already done either in XIV or the genre in general.

Dawntrail will get an engine update, needed since launch basically for the PC audience.

And sactuary island... yay...

[Atelier-Bagur]

In my honest opinion, I dont think that CBU3 stopped caring. From the various interviews, LLs and communication we've received as well as how the game has been successful, it does feel like the devs pour a lot of work, effort and care into the product.

I just personally believe that (and this is gonna sound very harsh) its most likely the issues come from Yoshida is kinda...dumb about analyzing data and understanding whats the best course for addressing the feedback. I would say a mix of dumb, stubbornness and willingness to meet all ends even if he's aware that he cant please everyone.

I'm not saying that I can do better if I were in his position. Talk is cheap and us being gamers would easily believe that our solutions would be simple and successful upon implementation even if the answers and feedback is obvious. But this is not my job, nor anyone in the community's job. Its the producer and developer's job to take all our feedback data and use it to make the game better but I feel this has always been a bit of an issue with FFXIV from talking to people and researching previous patch content in older expansions. I guess the best compliment and assurance I can provide is that the dev team can make the game better, even if it takes for the game to start truly tanking in both scores and sales for them to double down and better listen to us. The dev team is the kind of team who would care enough to make sure it stays successful.

But for now, all we can do is just discuss and watch what their next move is. If the game starts truly sucking by then, then its our job to vote with our wallet and move on to better games. After all they're still a business and like I keep telling y'all; money talks. Sub numbers talks.

[Renalt]

[Hyperia]

I believe it would be best for the Devs to have a weekly poll on the launcher, asking players what they feel about X. They need some quantitative data to help them make more informed decisions. Saying "the players wanted this" is very hard to take, who did they talk to, how big was the sample? Listening to the forms, people talking in Limsa or 2/4 Chan is not going to give you clean data.

Polls, there easy, they work and poll often to get a better feel on how the players feel.

[MintnHoney]

Is it possible for someone to abandon something they didn't really attend to in the first place?

[poptarts12]

They no longer care about any feedback beyond feedback that is extremely trivial and low cost to implement like alliance raid ilvl issues.

In multiple interviews, they are now outright dismissing player concerns or stating outright falsehoods (like DC travel being a JP only issue).

Since CBU3 no longer cares about the game there is no need for players to care about FF14 anymore.

They've always only ever cared about the JP feedback, never the western feedback. The only time they'll listen to us is when the ship is sinking. With that said. The recent interviews are absolutely terrible news, and anyone expecting change from the EW model in Dawntrail will be extremely disappointed, myself included. EW style of "once and done" content is looking like it's going to be the norm. The game had a good run, but this is where I check out.

[IkaraGreydancer]

They've always only ever cared about the JP feedback, never the western feedback. The only time they'll listen to us is when the ship is sinking. With that said. The recent interviews are absolutely terrible news, and anyone expecting change from the EW model in Dawntrail will be extremely disappointed, myself included. EW style of "once and done" content is looking like it's going to be the norm. The game had a good run, but this is where I check out.

Probably false but alright see ya.

I dont personally agree with this....but I am curious.
Does this mean people will actually start leaving to show SE and Devs a True message? Or will we see the Usual posters come in and just say the same things next patch / Expansion?

Not like I want it to happen to the game...but when will people finally learn that Metrics matter more then blasting Forums? Especially on a Forum where people have said many, Many, MANY times, that they dont listen. Yet continue to complain like anything will change? And Keep feeding the game money.
Im still gonna be here to SEE for myself if there will be improvements in Dawntrail. If not, and if the game starts to become Unfun even for a Casual like me, then Im out.
I have no sunken Cost, Im not chained to the game. If it cant prove, Im just out.
Maybe by people leaving, they can wake up, and actually reach out for answers instead of that Questionnaire. .

I've said this for months and it's always met with pushback. "Vote with your wallet" isn't a liked mantra around here for some odd reason. I pay my sub because I enjoy playing the game (as a vet mind you) with my fc and friends. If this wasn't the case I wouldn't be paying. It's simple really...or rather you'd think it was. Folks need their place to vent ig and they're willing to pay 15$ a month to have it.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I've said this for months and it's always met with pushback. "Vote with your wallet" isn't a liked mantra around here for some odd reason. I pay my sub because I enjoy playing the game (as a vet mind you) with my fc and friends. If this wasn't the case I wouldn't be paying. It's simple really...or rather you'd think it was. Folks need their place to vent ig and they're willing to pay 15$ a month to have it.

Ive had this conversation with people IRL who love to say "It doesnt work"
True....because not everybody is doing it. Which then means; According to the metrics, there are people who either dont care, or people that like / Enjoy it. So they will continue to pay, play & Support. It wont work...until a Large enough Metric joins in and unsubscribes AND leave feedback.
Its probably been established for many years, the Metrics Point UP. If you want them to do down and give them a message....Vote - With - Your - Wallet.
It REALLY IS that simple, but people will just create excuses not to do it. And will continue to pay, keeping that Metric up.

Before we get any idiots. The game isn't perfect, always make your voice heard.
But we should stop and think...if moaning, complaining, Criticisms and getting into fights and trolling eachother are not leading to changes you want.
Then its time to change Tactics on how you get the message across. A good way?
The Wallet.
Is this not what leads to change in most cases?

[Stormpeaks]

Ive had this conversation with people IRL who love to say "It doesnt work"
True....because not everybody is doing it. Which then means; According to the metrics, there are people who either dont care, or people that like / Enjoy it. So they will continue to pay, play & Support. It wont work...until a Large enough Metric joins in and unsubscribes AND leave feedback.
Its probably been established for many years, the Metrics Point UP. If you want them to do down and give them a message....Vote - With - Your - Wallet.
It REALLY IS that simple, but people will just create excuses not to do it. And will continue to pay, keeping that Metric up.

Before we get any idiots. The game isn't perfect, always make your voice heard.
But we should stop and think...if moaning, complaining, Criticisms and getting into fights and trolling eachother are not leading to changes you want.
Then its time to change Tactics on how you get the message across. A good way?
The Wallet.
Is this not what leads to change in most cases?

Hmm let's see...

Free Company Housing was released in Patch 2.1 - Release Date 17 Dec 2013
Personal Housing was introduced in Patch 2.38 - Release Date 8 Jul 2014

(source : https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Player_Housing)

As of today, we still have an auto demolition system that forces people to stay subscribed in order to not lose their houses, because of a so called housing crisis that in reality is created by SE themselves to boost their subscribers numbers for the shareholders.

How did "being nice" work in regards to that ? As much as I'd hate it personally, where is the instanced housing ? Where are the new wards aside from W25 to 30, why are there still multiple hundreds of people bidding on a single large on NA ?

Surely being nice and giving feedback would work right ?

And yet here we are, nothing is fixed.

By your opinion

Then its time to change Tactics on how you get the message across. A good way?
The Wallet.

Player A who started in 2013-2014 disagrees with the housing system being so restrictive and limited, should they have unsubscribed back then and stopped playing all together ? What would that have done now 10 years later ? The problem is still there.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Player A who started in 2013-2014 disagrees with the housing system being so restrictive and limited, should they have unsubscribed back then and stopped playing all together ? What would that have done now 10 years later ? The problem is still there.

We will never know...because we never committed to it as a collective.
We need MORE people doing it and not just a handful of people on the forums, we need more people posibly "voting with their wallets" and possibly leaving, because of housing.

Also there are people like myself who dont care about housing / have given up on housing. So, we dont really contribute to this issue and don't help or harm it.