Should the devs appologise to the community

[DiaDeem]

No, I don't believe so because:

Uh, didn't think I had to spell it out, but I was just shit posting.

[Sebazy]

should the developers appologise for the state of the game?

Personally, I'm not particularly interested an apology, I want results, I want hires and I want fresh blood and ideas brought into the mix.

[Theodric]

Uh, didn't think I had to spell it out, but I was just shit posting.

Fair enough though there's multiple posters around these parts who regularly imply similar things in all seriousness.

How do you know they didn't expect that Variant/Criterion and Deep Dungeon and Island Sanctuary would provide that staying power? That's my problem with the way you're putting this. You're putting intent on the developers when you have no proof of what their intent or thinking was. The choice they made was not having an exploratory zone. That doesn't immediately mean they weren't trying to give players something that would last.

You can have whatever 'problem' with my post as you like. I've explained my reasoning multiple times now and you're simply moving the goalposts after I called out your attempt to try and negate the context of my initial post and frame it as something completely different.

You're no longer discussing my initial post and seem to simply be trying to further obscure my intent with unrelated elements that neither of us can possibly prove one way or the other.

That being said, given that they're in charge of the game if they truly believed that the current offerings in Endwalker would be enough 'staying power' then I think that'd be rather worrying. They've also deliberately gone out of their way to make every relic weapon step revolve around tomestones with no attempt to tie it to any of the new content.

[DiaDeem]

Fair enough though there's multiple posters around these parts who regularly imply similar things in all seriousness.

Oh no, I get that. But read OP's post and then go back to mine lol

All jokes aside, I don't think any apology is really needed. I just want them to talk to us. I've filled 4 feedback surveys for Star Rail during the sixish months I've been playing. I've filled one survey for XIV in 10 years of playing, and it was the 10 year anniversary thingy they made. They should be sending surveys every patch. But an apology? I find that a bit silly, thus my shit post.

[Striker44]

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Short answer - nope.

Long answer - They have nothing whatsoever to "apologize" for. They've made a game that continues to be successful and with each expansion increases in the size of its active playerbase (EW included). Hundreds of thousands of people are playing the game and having fun. Just because any proverbial "you" is not means nothing deserving of an "apology"; that's incredibly egocentric.

Cash shop? It's all cosmetics. Meaningless to me, have never bought anything on it, but the only "clear nature" of it from my view is that it's NOT a P2W feature, which is all that matters to me.

No change? They actually went in a significantly different direction this expansion with things like IS, Variant/Criterion, etc.. You can debate how successful those were, but there were most definitely unique features included. Or do you mean the standard formula of how content in general is released? In that case, your disappointment is my enjoyment. I like the type of content being released and the timing of it.

Content vs. what I pay for? I get far more content out of FFXIV each month than I get on any of the streaming services I also pay monthly subs for.

6 months between patches in 7.0? Umm - say what? Exaggerations like that only look pathetic and undermine any attempt at having a point.

[IkaraGreydancer]

Personally, I'm not particularly interested an apology, I want results, I want hires and I want fresh blood and ideas brought into the mix.

You didn't read the interviews cause EW HAS been new people with new ideas. It says something when Yoshi himself is saying to up difficulty and make things less straight forward. The new folks are still find their stride

[Sebazy]

You didn't read the interviews cause EW HAS been new people with new ideas. It says something when Yoshi himself is saying to up difficulty and make things less straight forward. The new folks are still find their stride

ARR battle system team: Kei Sato, Takashi Kawamoto, Hikaru Tamaki, Tsuyoshi Yokozawa

Endwalker battle system team: Kei Sato, Takashi Kawamoto, Hikaru Tamaki, Hironori Isami

IMO this is the root of the problem outside of perhaps Yoshida himself (Or the financing department holding him to ransom). The battle system team (aka class designers) are stretched too thin, the team should have been expanded long ago or another team should have been bought in on consultancy terms to feed the internal team with idea filled whiteboards for them to pick and choose from.

[Renalt]

No. They are doing what is making them money as a business. They should keep doing that.

That said I don't think the game is for me anymore so once.my sub expires in December I'm pretty much done.

I'm not the playerbase. I'm a drop in the ocean.

[TaleraRistain]

You're no longer discussing my initial post and seem to simply be trying to further obscure my intent with unrelated elements that neither of us can possibly prove one way or the other.

That being said, given that they're in charge of the game if they truly believed that the current offerings in Endwalker would be enough 'staying power' then I think that'd be rather worrying. They've also deliberately gone out of their way to make every relic weapon step revolve around tomestones with no attempt to tie it to any of the new content.

Now who's moving the goalposts? Where would they have any data that something wouldn't jive with the playerbase unless they put it out there and got feedback and participation numbers on it? These forums cry every day about how 4 man content needs to be harder. What would tell the developers that Criterion would be so badly received when that's a constant request from the community? In one of the recent interviews where Eureka was mentioned, I got the impression they didn't think was going to be nearly as divisive as it was.

And I don't like tomes for relics but they're doing what they've always done. You had ARR and people didn't fully like that. They tweaked it some for HW. They completely changed the format for SB. They tweaked it some again for ShB. And now they've massively changed the format again. They don't know until they release something how it's going to be reacted to.

And as you said in the first part of what I quoted, neither of us can prove their intent with things one way or another. But only one of us keeps accusing them of deliberately leaving things out instead of trying new things like they've always done.

[Aldath]

Personally, I'm not particularly interested an apology, I want results, I want hires and I want fresh blood and ideas brought into the mix.

I want results too, but ehhh... if you read the recent interviews, new blood is exactly what they got and it might be one of the reasons the content has been so "mid".