Should the devs appologise to the community

[Amenara]

so we did actually get a 4gamer interview with a really concerning statement in it, and on the note of unsubbing, honestly.. if this is the stance they continue to take. i actually WILL be

"On Relics: "In the past, the idea was that it would be okay if you just made one job, and the time calculation for Zodiac Weapon was set at 120 hours, but now that the range and amount of content has expanded, there is less time to devote"

"If you plan to have multiple jobs produce items, it will take a toll on your inventory if you go around collecting special reinforcement items, and it will be difficult to tell how much you have strengthened. Therefore, we made it so that Allagan tomestones"

"young people who play online games these days choose not to play unless it is easily available. However, as I mentioned earlier, if players are enjoying playing multi-jobs these days, I think our game design should be designed to reflect that."

"On the other hand, there are also voices saying that they want enhanced content or exclusive content for weapon production. It's a voice that never existed before... However, in Bozja we created a system where weapons could be strengthened both inside and outside of the content, but in the end it came down to efficiency. For that reason, it is difficult to know what to do with the next series, but the fact is that many players have strengthened the Manderville Weapon this time to the highest level ever."

We knew before EW launched that there was no exploration content tied to the relic this time. Honestly, after we found out the second step was going to be another 1500 tome step we knew that relics were going to be pretty tomestone weapons this expansion instead of something you work towards achieving. You can disagree with SE's mindset towards this, God knows I do, but they have followed through on what they said we were getting this expansion for better or worse.

[sindriiisgaming]

We knew before EW launched that there was no exploration content tied to the relic this time. Honestly, after we found out the second step was going to be another 1500 tome step we knew that relics were going to be pretty tomestone weapons this expansion instead of something you work towards achieving. You can disagree with SE's mindset towards this, God knows I do, but they have followed through on what they said we were getting this expansion for better or worse.

i mean weve been unhappy with it from the start, not sure what the point of the reply is meant to make. weve never supported it. its now that 6 months has passed, players anger is finally getting louder. i guess because its getting harder for people to yell over them or tell them to touch grass

[Amenara]

i mean weve been unhappy with it from the start, not sure what the point of the reply is meant to make. weve never supported it. its now that 6 months has passed, players anger is finally getting louder. i guess because its getting harder for people to yell over them or tell them to touch grass

As Aveyond said they think it's a success on their end because of the "engagement" with more people having relics and that they are drawing the wrong conclusion from that. Why would they feel the need to apologize for something they probably think is very successful?

[sindriiisgaming]

As Aveyond said they think it's a success on their end because of the "engagement" with more people having relics and that they are drawing the wrong conclusion from that. Why would they feel the need to apologize for something they probably think is very successful?

because the players are telling them theyre wrong and theyre blatently overrulling there opinions

[Kes13a]

because the players are telling them theyre wrong and theyre blatently overrulling there opinions

more accurately, some players on the Forums are saying they are wrong.

I have played games where the devs tried to "save the game" by listening to the players. usually they are not around for long after that because the majority of players didnt usually sign up to play what the "listened" to players want to play. I suspect the same thing here honestly.

when it comes right down to it, I do not believe they need to apologize as long as we keep paying for what they are offering. if we REALLY dislike what they are doing, we shouldnt pay for it. I am not thrilled with the solo direction, but I can live with it for now. its their game, they make the rules and the playing field. to expect an apology for them following their direction for the game seems rather entitled. if I dont like it enough, I'll leave, and still consider my money well spent for the time I have been entertained by the game.

[Snorky]

more accurately, some players on the Forums are saying they are wrong.

I have played games where the devs tried to "save the game" by listening to the players. usually they are not around for long after that because the majority of players didnt usually sign up to play what the "listened" to players want to play. I suspect the same thing here honestly.

when it comes right down to it, I do not believe they need to apologize as long as we keep paying for what they are offering. if we REALLY dislike what they are doing, we shouldnt pay for it. I am not thrilled with the solo direction, but I can live with it for now. its their game, they make the rules and the playing field. to expect an apology for them following their direction for the game seems rather entitled. if I dont like it enough, I'll leave, and still consider my money well spent for the time I have been entertained by the game.

Omg Kes you're making too much sense! How can you how dare you not go along with the doom narrative! Don't you know the sky is falling! How can you tell people to just stop paying for being kicked around! J/k I agree and you said it well.

[Stormpeaks]

Omg Kes you're making too much sense! How can you how dare you not go along with the doom narrative! Don't you know the sky is falling! How can you tell people to just stop paying for being kicked around! J/k I agree and you said it well.

It really is hilarious how saying the game is in decline = doom in yall minds.

Literally not a single person is saying the game is dying.

[Kes13a]

Omg Kes you're making too much sense! How can you how dare you not go along with the doom narrative! Don't you know the sky is falling! How can you tell people to just stop paying for being kicked around! J/k I agree and you said it well.

its a character flaw I suppose. that and I have been to this kind of dance before. seen games where the devs listened, and the game became unidentifiable garbage no one wanted to play, and see where the company said "our way or the highway" and became a game no one wanted to play.

there are some serious issues, there are legitimate beefs, there is also a LOT of whining. its a game forum so that is rather expected. everyone, some of us more than others, have views of the game WE personally want... but the stark reality is, its not our game. I am sure if some of the more vociferous doomsayers came up with their own game, Yoshi would love the competition.

but I will not hold my breath while they do.

[Carin-Eri]

As Aveyond said they think it's a success on their end because of the "engagement" with more people having relics and that they are drawing the wrong conclusion from that. Why would they feel the need to apologize for something they probably think is very successful?

Forced to agree with this aspect of the discussion. Due to experience from another game, I'm no fan of engagement metrics like these - they tend to favor pushing players toward a specific activity that they don't necessarily enjoy but feel like they have to put up with in order to get a reward; the Devs then point at the predictably-high engagement numbers as "proof" that players like that activity.
Its a little dishonest really, in my opinion.