Tentative news: Completion of Eden and Warring Triad recommended before 6.5 MSQ

[Iscah]

I am seeing a few claims today that Yoshida may have recommended completion of the Eden and Warring Triad storylines before playing the patch 6.5 MSQ, and that this will affect dialogue and cutscenes.

The claimed source is a Famitsu article posted on the Japanese FFXIV Twitter account, but as I don't read Japanese, I can't confirm that source for myself.

Are there any more solid links to this information? They will likely mention it at the live letter tomorrow if it is correct.

It's pretty big news if true. People have been concerned by the lack of integrating these obvious other questlines.


Edit to add: Whether officially recommended or not, I would still do these quests to be certain, and also the Shadowbringers role quests and the additional quests following them. All have a chance to be referenced to some degree, from what we know of the MSQ content.

[Carin-Eri]

I am seeing a few claims today that Yoshida may have recommended completion of the Eden and Warring Triad storylines before playing the patch 6.5 MSQ, and that this will affect dialogue and cutscenes.

The claimed source is a Famitsu article posted on the Japanese FFXIV Twitter account, but as I don't read Japanese, I can't confirm that source for myself.

Are there any more solid links to this information? They will likely mention it at the live letter tomorrow if it is correct.

It's pretty big news if true. People have been concerned by the lack of integrating these obvious other questlines.

Thank you for the heads-up - particularly since I thought I'd done the Warring Triad quests, but realised I haven't and have started them now.

[Iscah]

Thank you for the heads-up - particularly since I thought I'd done the Warring Triad quests, but realised I haven't and have started them now.

Warring Triad is sneaky for completion. If you pick up the obvious starting point in Ishgard as soon as it appears, you'll only get the first part of the storyline that unlocks Bismarck and Ravana EX, and the rest of it doesn't appear until later in the patch cycle, by which point you have no more reason to ever enter the solar again.

Also, given the Triad and Eden recommendations, that suggests there is also a third implicit recommendation to complete the four Shadowbringers role quests and the follow-up quests from that. So if you haven't done those already, work on them after you've finished Triad.

[Tsiron]

Cylva made her debut in MSQ (even if it was just to point you in the direction of the Role Quests) so she's the one I could feasibly see appear in 6.5. Not holding my breath for Gaia or especially Unukalhai though, the most they're likely to get is being acknowledged in a bit of (optional) dialogue, I think...

[Cleretic]

This sounds like what I've been saying for... I don't know how long: they're gonna have a decent amount of optional dialog (and possibly a sidequest) connecting to Gaia and Unukalhai. The lack of mentioning the void quests or ShB all-roles capstone quest suggests they probably won't bring in Cylva or that whole project, although it's possible that they might, and it just wasn't mentioned either to not tip their hand too much, or just to give a briefer answer.

But yeah, pretty unsurprised but pleased by this. I think it's a proper setting of expectations, too; yeah, they'll be bringing that stuff up, but not to such a huge degree that it'll influence the story. They're not making it mandatory (thankfully).

Worth remembering that they do have the tech to have NPCs conditionally present in cutscenes, though. On a technical level, it would be possible to have a scene that has Gaia in it and gives her a few lines if you've done Eden, but plays out without her otherwise.

[Carin-Eri]

Warring Triad is sneaky for completion. If you pick up the obvious starting point in Ishgard as soon as it appears, you'll only get the first part of the storyline that unlocks Bismarck and Ravana EX, and the rest of it doesn't appear until later in the patch cycle, by which point you have no more reason to ever enter the solar again.

Also, given the Triad and Eden recommendations, that suggests there is also a third implicit recommendation to complete the four Shadowbringers role quests and the follow-up quests from that. So if you haven't done those already, work on them after you've finished Triad.

Thanks again

Sadly, the Shadowbringers role quests are going to be a stumbling block for me as I haven't played a healer or tank job.

[Iscah]

Sadly, the Shadowbringers role quests are going to be a stumbling block for me as I haven't played a healer or tank job.

If you want to get a tank and healer levelled purely to get through the story quests, I would suggest picking up gunbreaker and sage and just levelling them up through low-pressure content like tribe quests, deep dungeons and maybe trusts or Bozja.

The final battle test for the healer quests is basically "can you keep this party member healed up and occasionally cast a sleep spell?"

It's been a while since I did the tank quest, I think it was a bit more "run around and dodge things" but if you struggle with it there's always Very Easy mode to fall back on.


Also, I should mention that if you pick up sage and try to do its job quests, the intro battle seems overtuned and harder than actual dungeon healing, so don't feel like it's your fault if you fail it. I wouldn't ideally recommend sage as a first healer class, but the level 70 starting point is too good to pass up if you don't actually intend to use it beyond the role quest.

[Carin-Eri]

If you want to get a tank and healer levelled purely to get through the story quests, I would suggest picking up gunbreaker and sage and just levelling them up through low-pressure content like tribe quests, deep dungeons and maybe trusts or Bozja.

The final battle test for the healer quests is basically "can you keep this party member healed up and occasionally cast a sleep spell?"

It's been a while since I did the tank quest, I think it was a bit more "run around and dodge things" but if you struggle with it there's always Very Easy mode to fall back on.


Also, I should mention that if you pick up sage and try to do its job quests, the intro battle seems overtuned and harder than actual dungeon healing, so don't feel like it's your fault if you fail it. I wouldn't ideally recommend sage as a first healer class, but the level 70 starting point is too good to pass up if you don't actually intend to use it beyond the role quest.

Sound advice. The main reason I've never looked at playing Healer is that I hate the idea of other players relying on me for anything; I have no real talent for the game and struggle with elements of the content that others frequent lament as being too easy.

I guess levelling via methods with little or no participation from other players is a way around my shortcomings in this regard though.

[Iscah]

Cylva made her debut in MSQ (even if it was just to point you in the direction of the Role Quests) so she's the one I could feasibly see appear in 6.5.

The thing is, while she has technically appeared in MSQ in that small capability, there's no reason for "merely the waitress at the Wandering Stairs" to get involved in our efforts to bridge the rift. We need to have at least reached the conclusion of the role quests for her to have any significance here.

The lack of mentioning the void quests or ShB all-roles capstone quest suggests they probably won't bring in Cylva or that whole project, although it's possible that they might, and it just wasn't mentioned either to not tip their hand too much, or just to give a briefer answer.

I guess Warring Triad completion might just affect whether they refer back to Unukalhai's past involvement with the Thirteenth, and nothing about his present state.

I can't help thinking that there was a missed opportunity, to say the least, that instead of moving Unukalhai from standing around since the end of the Warring Triad directly into leaving for the First. At minimum they should have name-dropped him a few times as helping out with Scion stuff even if we never saw him; at most, we could have done with some additional optional quests showing him interacting with the other Scions more normally.

Somewhere in the middle, a Tales From chapter about him would be useful.

I wonder if they'd be interested in retroactively applying that "conditional appearance in cutscenes" tech to give him a few extra appearances...?

[SannaR]

I'm glad that they said this as now people who might have not done those yet or don't remember things about them will hopefully go and do those or freshen up their memories of them. I highly doubt we will get more than a few nods or having them show up in the background during a CS. Or like how prior to kicking off the Ilsabard contingent those who had done everything had a much fuller room of npcs to poke. Or a more crowded dock when the adamantite shipments arrived.