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    hobostew's Avatar
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    I feel like he's missing the one commonality with games that are popular with younger gamers and that's that almost all of those games are free to play. P2P MMOs will never be as attractive to young people no matter how much you reduce the grind or improve the graphics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hobostew View Post
    I feel like he's missing the one commonality with games that are popular with younger gamers and that's that almost all of those games are free to play. P2P MMOs will never be as attractive to young people no matter how much you reduce the grind or improve the graphics.
    I also feel that the comments he made in an interview pertaining to F2P models was spot on:
    "F2P is an unreliable source of income predicated on devoting a lot of development resources to monthly consumable or cosmetic items in order to maintain profitability, leaving little time for higher quality story and battle content, and a playerbase which changes dramatically in size and revenue from month to month."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carin-Eri View Post
    I also feel that the comments he made in an interview pertaining to F2P models was spot on:
    "F2P is an unreliable source of income predicated on devoting a lot of development resources to monthly consumable or cosmetic items in order to maintain profitability, leaving little time for higher quality story and battle content, and a playerbase which changes dramatically in size and revenue from month to month."
    That's the Yoshida that brought me into this game, a far cry from recent one. I mean we're already starting to feel like F2P with how neglected the game feels.
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    If people feel like the game is bad enough catering to lowest common denominator adults, then just imagine the hellscape if it pivoted to lowest common denominator youths.
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    And that's nice and all but it doesn't change that trying to appeal to young people by removing the grind isn't likely to have any effect on amplifying the game's appeal when the initial barrier of entry is there.

    Also, how old is that comment? Is that 10 years ago Yoshi-p or recent?
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    i'm the oldest in my FC by a couple years to several years. i'm not that-that old but i'm amongst the youngest of the millennial generation.
    i dunno what they're talking about by appealing to the younger generations since most of these people i've known since stormblood/the beginning of shb.

    unless they mean like, literal 13 year olds or something.
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    We're getting the fall-guys collab and it's coinciding with those spiderman waterslide tiktoks...
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    Kinda Hungry
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    Just because players are handing in tomes for relics in higher numbers doesn't mean the game is better for it, those players are happy, and subs will be maintained. If devs are so happy to point to this metric, why not offer a sobering analysis of all the other metrics we don't get that would give a true indicator of the health of the game? Instead devs make statements like this that just incentivize the die hards to stay in denial.
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    Lufie Newleaf
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    If it was simplified down to "press X for relic" they would have even higher completion numbers but it shouldn't be seen as a success. People will always collect a reward that is quick and easy.

    Is this why they never stop making mindless normal dungeons? The participation numbers for those are only so high because it gives a large amount of tomestones to buy some of the strongest gear in the game, with no difficulty barrier.

    Nobody actually wants to run the same two expert dungeons all year. It's a little bit of mind-numbing tedium that people force themselves through for reward efficiency. Rush it, get out, probably not fun for many people by the 40th run.

    The starting point for content ideas should probably be "what is most fun?" brainstorming with no restrictions, later followed by "how do we adapt this into an MMO?" I don't like following a straight path from point A to B spamming aoes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    I don't think he's misinterpreting the data. I think that players are misinterpreting what type of content SE wants relic weapons to be.
    I'm sure all the players playing failed MMOs like New World are just misinterpreting what the developers want.
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