Thread: JP interviews [pre-6.5]

Not sure why everyone needs to have every relic weapon when crafted gear and tomestone weapons are available. Maybe I'm an old school (MMO)RPG player where relic weapons signified a players commitment to their class/job after completing a long, difficult quest to acquire said relic. It gave players something to strive for and a sense of accomplishment while also rewarding them with something that influenced and strengthened their job/class. I remember how incredible it felt when I finished my Bard epic weapon in EverQuest.

At this point, they might as well mail out relic weapons to players for having reached max level with their jobs, then they can say they have a 100% completion rate for the relic weapon.

Originally Posted by Bonoki

Everything you said, from the devs stance on things, this is what is known as lying with statistics. They can pretend that things are a success by using participation as the data despite the fact that it's lacking in the fun fact or any other metric. Cooperations usually do this when they are trying to present data in a positive light usually for shareholders or other business partners.

At this point, it's quite clear CBU3 is showing absolute contempt for its players.

Originally Posted by Noumenon

At this point, it's quite clear CBU3 is showing absolute contempt for its players.

If that's the case, what does that make you - who keep giving them money?

It's like whenever I beat someone in a competition and they just throw whatever random insult/name calling my way like ... "wahh you're just an idiot!". I rarely bother to argue, but just ask "yep, and you just lost to an idiot, what does that make you?"

Originally Posted by Raven2014

If that's the case, what does that make you - who keep giving them money?

It's like whenever I beat someone in a competition and they just throw whatever random insult/name calling my way like ... "wahh you're just an idiot!". I rarely bother to argue, but just ask "yep, and you just lost to an idiot, what does that make you?"

"What does that make you?" is kinda irrelevant really. Unsubscribing is not going to fix anything just now, let alone making the devs acknowledge the issue now, will it? They might even use that data to double down on it.

Originally Posted by MisterNublet

Not sure why everyone needs to have every relic weapon when crafted gear and tomestone weapons are available. Maybe I'm an old school (MMO)RPG player where relic weapons signified a players commitment to their class/job after completing a long, difficult quest to acquire said relic. It gave players something to strive for and a sense of accomplishment while also rewarding them with something that influenced and strengthened their job/class. I remember how incredible it felt when I finished my Bard epic weapon in EverQuest.

At this point, they might as well mail out relic weapons to players for having reached max level with their jobs, then they can say they have a 100% completion rate for the relic weapon.

It's because this weapon is supposed to be the non-raiding answer to an endgame weapon. It's not like epics in EverQuest where we had to do endgame raiding for pieces for our epics. It's intended to be something a non-raider can obtain and the long questline and grind was what previously balanced things out because the faster alternative is to raid for it. I felt great when I finished my enchanter's snake stick and druid's scimitar, too, but that's not the intention of those weapons in this game.

Originally Posted by Doragan

Unsubscribing is not going to fix anything just now, let alone making the devs acknowledge the issue now, will it? They might even use that data to double down on it.

It may it may not. The ironic part here is that I remember seeing either in this or the other dozen threads (since they're mostly the same anyway), the same people (aka - the one who complaining) said something to the effect of "SE doesn't care about fun, feedback any more, they just care about statistic like clear/acquire to measure success yada yada".

So let say I give it to these people that they are actually right, they have managed to divine the root issue ... But the ironic part here it seems they're also the one refusing to take the single action that will probably contribute the most to change the outcome. They already claim SE not gonna listen to feedback, yet they kept complaining. They claim SE only care about statistic, yet by refusing to unsub they're contributing to the most important statistic used to measure success.


Like ... when I tell people "if you don't like the game just ubsub", I don't mean it as a sarcastic or sassy way. I simply vote with your wallet, it's not just SE, your wallet is about the only thing any companies on the planet will pay attention to these days. As long as you keep your sub, you're part of SE's success, and why a company should change their "successful" way of doing thing?

Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

It's because this weapon is supposed to be the non-raiding answer to an endgame weapon. It's not like epics in EverQuest where we had to do endgame raiding for pieces for our epics. It's intended to be something a non-raider can obtain and the long questline and grind was what previously balanced things out because the faster alternative is to raid for it. I felt great when I finished my enchanter's snake stick and druid's scimitar, too, but that's not the intention of those weapons in this game.

You're right, it's supposed to be the "non-raiding answer to an endgame weapon". However, current relics are more along the lines of "congratulations, you logged in on patch day with some stocked up uncapped tomestones".
Relics should never be designed around being able to finish every relic while a step is current. It should always be a case of players being able to finish a few relics, while unaugmented tomestone/EX trial/crafted weapons fill in the gaps for the remaining jobs.

All they've done with Endwalker is create a secondary, uncapped version of the tomestone weapon.