LuckyBancho data shows that FF14 is in decline

[Midare]

So you don’t see it as a negative that 14 has completely failed to hold any of the WOW refugees

Hi, WoW refugee still playing.

No, there's nothing wrong with that because the majority of WoW players are much different kind of players. They are used to the bad practices blizz follows to keep the vacuum firmly attached to players' wallets so, when they don't see that, they either realize how bad that was (like me) or simply leave.

[Stormpeaks]

Hi, WoW refugee still playing.

No, there's nothing wrong with that because the majority of WoW players are much different kind of players. They are used to the bad practices blizz follows to keep the vacuum firmly attached to players' wallets so, when they don't see that, they either realize how bad that was (like me) or simply leave.

Because you think having no content a single week after patch day for the next 5 or 6 months and saying "go play other games" is good practice ?

[Midare]

Because you think having no content a single week after patch day for the next 5 or 6 months and saying "go play other games" is good practice ?

I do yes, no game should make you feel like you have to log on. A game is a leisure activity, something you shouldn't have any obligation towards and only log on to because you want to do it.

[Striker44]

So you don’t see it as a negative that 14 has completely failed to hold any of the WOW refugees

A.) Hyperbole never leads to anything useful. There are a significant number of "WoW refugees" still playing.

B.) I'm surprised that many stayed. FFXIV's target audience is casual gamers looking for an engaging story. WoW's target audience is the eSports crowd. I wouldn't expect people who played WoW all the way up to the "exodus" to be likely candidates for the FFXIV playerbase. They're two very different games.

[Supersnow845]

A.) Hyperbole never leads to anything useful. There are a significant number of "WoW refugees" still playing.

B.) I'm surprised that many stayed. FFXIV's target audience is casual gamers looking for an engaging story. WoW's target audience is the eSports crowd. I wouldn't expect people who played WoW all the way up to the "exodus" to be likely candidates for the FFXIV playerbase. They're two very different games.

Attempting to use hyperbole as a disqualifier when the intention of the argument is completely clear never achieves anything

[Stormpeaks]

A.) Hyperbole never leads to anything useful. There are a significant number of "WoW refugees" still playing.

B.) I'm surprised that many stayed. FFXIV's target audience is casual gamers looking for an engaging story. WoW's target audience is the eSports crowd. I wouldn't expect people who played WoW all the way up to the "exodus" to be likely candidates for the FFXIV playerbase. They're two very different games.

"Wow's target audience is the esport crowd" lmao

Someone has never played WoW looks like

[Midare]

"Wow's target audience is the esport crowd" lmao

Someone has never played WoW looks like

He's not entirely wrong. There's a huge chunk of players who care too much about the meaningless contest of "big d dps" even at the most casual of levels (not that this doesn't happen here, but I digress).

I've spent most of my time in WoW trying to pay attention to the story, and piece together the horrible amalgamation of retcons that is their lore... and looking back, it feels like a lot of wasted time I'll never get back.

[Noumenon]

As I said, the change in color appears to be related to the dates the data seems to have been collected. Lucky Bancho said nothing to indicate that he scraped the achievement data at the end of the quarter. He seems to have been working from the May 20th data.

That only applies to the last bar which is why it's all green. I specifically discarded that outlier from the discussion. Even just looking at the first few bars of EW it's clear the ratios are changing.

In other datasets LB released, we see that the churn rate of FF14 is now at 20% per quarter.

And why I'm posting this is none of your concern.

[Jojoya]

That only applies to the last bar which is why it's all green. I specifically discarded that outlier from the discussion. Even just looking at the first few bars of EW it's clear the ratios are changing.

In other datasets LB released, we see that the churn rate of FF14 is now at 20% per quarter.

And why I'm posting this is none of your concern.

How much of that churn is due to the WoW exodus that bloated the Endwalker numbers in the first place? As I said to Boblawblah, that exodus through the numbers into chaos so it's hard to say exactly what is going on with player numbers.

It's up to you if you don't want to mention what prompted you to start this thread. It would have been smarter to ignore my question instead of state that you're not going to answer. You've drawn attention to your desire to hide your reason. That's going to leave others with even more doubt that your intent was innocent.

Also in saying that all of ShBs growth was due to the wow exodus when that was only, like, the last patch or two.

The WoW exodus started before Shadowbringers launched though the number of players quitting BfA and trying FFXIV was a fraction of those who followed the content creators after Shadowlands tanked. I can remember helping a lot of former WoW players adjust to the ways the two games differ and helping a few of them set up their own FCs.

COVID would have also affected the numbers with most of the first world stuck in lockdown. I'd still put the vast majority of the increase due to the WoW content creators trying FFXIV. That's what got players from a number of games to stop dismissing FFXIV as a "dumb weeb game".

Otherwise, the numbers probably would have been closer to the pattern seen in the other expansions.

Dawntrail starting out at approximately the same numbers as Shadowbringers is what the stable growth line would predict. We'll have to see how close it is to the reality next summer.

[XgungraveX]

oh noes players playing other games outside of ff14.