Thread: Summoner 7.0 Wishlist

That's hilarious. Rez is half the reason I take Summoner into content. It's not like its gameplay loop is so compelling it'll make up for a lack of utility.

Originally Posted by DustyBlue

As a compromise between having Resurrection and not having Resurrection, how about Resurrection being available only during Phoenix phase? But it's free, instant, and restores to full HP.

That way it's not giving summoner so much utility tax on its DPS from having constant access (or as constant as Swiftcast's cooldown, realistically), but it is really circumstantial, but when it IS that circumstance it is actually appreciated. Appreciated in a unique and job appropriate way like red mage's chainable insta-rezes. And it's just so Phoenix, yo.

Or just a really long cooldown if they end up making Phoenix phase manually choosable instead of alternating between Bahamut and Phoenix like clockwork. If so, they could lean into its heal properties even more, and give Everlasting Flight potency worth a damn.

That this ress would be in a burst phase and would have the same design problem as EF has from shB where it is a highly situational heal usability due to the very limited time window and rotation rigidity that forces this window to be at 2 minute intervals.

At this point it would be better to just remove it, rather than worry about having a ress every 2 minutes and within 15 seconds people have to die


Different if phoenix became a lego summon. However, this would take away from the player's thoughts whether or not it is better to use the ress, wasting a gcd in burst. It would make an already very simple job even easier

Originally Posted by Ggwppino

That this ress would be in a burst phase and would have the same design problem as EF has from shB where it is a highly situational heal usability due to the very limited time window and rotation rigidity that forces this window to be at 2 minute intervals.

At this point it would be better to just remove it, rather than worry about having a ress every 2 minutes and within 15 seconds people have to die


Different if phoenix became a lego summon. However, this would take away from the player's thoughts whether or not it is better to use the ress, wasting a gcd in burst. It would make an already very simple job even easier

They should simply grant the choice between Bahamut and Phoenix every 60 seconds, and adapt the concept of PvP (Bahamut 1.5s/cast) and more firepower, and Phoenix instant/cast and support-oriented less firepower.

This way, they could simply provide a stack of resurrection with each pheonix summon and add a small regeneration or shield to the team.

Already, if it's a possibility every 60 seconds, it will have more impact than once every 120 seconds without the option to choose.

it would add a strategic aspect to the summoner – a choice between hitting harder with more risk or healing and having the ability to resurrect and instant cast.


It would certainly significantly reduce the use of Phoenix after the prog, but considering that Phoenix is already a reskin of Bahamut, it makes sense to make it more situational and give it a real support-oriented value.

Currently, it's just a Bahamut reskin that can't afford to be weaker for obvious reasons, as it's not a choice and its use is mandatory.

Originally Posted by SweetPete

we find out if it will be a selfish caster like BLM or a support caster like RDM

We find out if it will be a caster lol

Originally Posted by remiff

They should simply grant the choice between Bahamut and Phoenix every 60 seconds, and adapt the concept of PvP (Bahamut 1.5s/cast) and more firepower, and Phoenix instant/cast and support-oriented less firepower.

This way, they could simply provide a stack of resurrection with each pheonix summon and add a small regeneration or shield to the team.

Already, if it's a possibility every 60 seconds, it will have more impact than once every 120 seconds without the option to choose.

it would add a strategic aspect to the summoner – a choice between hitting harder with more risk or healing and having the ability to resurrect and instant cast.


It would certainly significantly reduce the use of Phoenix after the prog, but considering that Phoenix is already a reskin of Bahamut, it makes sense to make it more situational and give it a real support-oriented value.

Currently, it's just a Bahamut reskin that can't afford to be weaker for obvious reasons, as it's not a choice and its use is mandatory.

This is already different and complex than "having resurrection on phoenix" and already much, much more sensible.

I am always convinced that having the phoenix as an option in Bahamut works very well in PVP because you find yourself in situations where to repel enemies you also need to have support that does damage when the support itself is few or not present in that situation.
In pve, in my opinion, it wouldn't work as well as in pvp because it is more based on the DPS check race but also because they are highly predictable fights and damage occurs in certain time windows and not constantly. Also going into burst with phoenix would be more of an "I expect someone will die" and not to be ready to use. But it certainly makes much more sense than putting the ress exclusively during phoenix.

Originally Posted by SweetPete

Well we have to remember that we have a new caster coming in 7.0. Actually when we find out if it will be a selfish caster like BLM or a support caster like RDM is when we will know where summoner will go for 7.0. Like the healers we will have 2 support casters and 2 selfish dps casters.

It's going to be unbelievably asinine if the Summoner job, which has had versatile support skills in most of the FF games it has appeared in, gets stripped down to a selfish DPS so Geomancer or Pictomancer or whatever spangly new caster they pull out of their butts can take its support-caster niche.

But it's not a foregone conclusion. We have five melee jobs and only one is selfish even though they had the option to add another when they added Reaper.