Thread: Summoner 7.0 Wishlist

Originally Posted by Ggwppino

That this ress would be in a burst phase and would have the same design problem as EF has from shB where it is a highly situational heal usability due to the very limited time window and rotation rigidity that forces this window to be at 2 minute intervals.

At this point it would be better to just remove it, rather than worry about having a ress every 2 minutes and within 15 seconds people have to die


Different if phoenix became a lego summon. However, this would take away from the player's thoughts whether or not it is better to use the ress, wasting a gcd in burst. It would make an already very simple job even easier

They should simply grant the choice between Bahamut and Phoenix every 60 seconds, and adapt the concept of PvP (Bahamut 1.5s/cast) and more firepower, and Phoenix instant/cast and support-oriented less firepower.

This way, they could simply provide a stack of resurrection with each pheonix summon and add a small regeneration or shield to the team.

Already, if it's a possibility every 60 seconds, it will have more impact than once every 120 seconds without the option to choose.

it would add a strategic aspect to the summoner – a choice between hitting harder with more risk or healing and having the ability to resurrect and instant cast.


It would certainly significantly reduce the use of Phoenix after the prog, but considering that Phoenix is already a reskin of Bahamut, it makes sense to make it more situational and give it a real support-oriented value.

Currently, it's just a Bahamut reskin that can't afford to be weaker for obvious reasons, as it's not a choice and its use is mandatory.

Originally Posted by SweetPete

we find out if it will be a selfish caster like BLM or a support caster like RDM

We find out if it will be a caster lol

Originally Posted by remiff

They should simply grant the choice between Bahamut and Phoenix every 60 seconds, and adapt the concept of PvP (Bahamut 1.5s/cast) and more firepower, and Phoenix instant/cast and support-oriented less firepower.

This way, they could simply provide a stack of resurrection with each pheonix summon and add a small regeneration or shield to the team.

Already, if it's a possibility every 60 seconds, it will have more impact than once every 120 seconds without the option to choose.

it would add a strategic aspect to the summoner – a choice between hitting harder with more risk or healing and having the ability to resurrect and instant cast.


It would certainly significantly reduce the use of Phoenix after the prog, but considering that Phoenix is already a reskin of Bahamut, it makes sense to make it more situational and give it a real support-oriented value.

Currently, it's just a Bahamut reskin that can't afford to be weaker for obvious reasons, as it's not a choice and its use is mandatory.

This is already different and complex than "having resurrection on phoenix" and already much, much more sensible.

I am always convinced that having the phoenix as an option in Bahamut works very well in PVP because you find yourself in situations where to repel enemies you also need to have support that does damage when the support itself is few or not present in that situation.
In pve, in my opinion, it wouldn't work as well as in pvp because it is more based on the DPS check race but also because they are highly predictable fights and damage occurs in certain time windows and not constantly. Also going into burst with phoenix would be more of an "I expect someone will die" and not to be ready to use. But it certainly makes much more sense than putting the ress exclusively during phoenix.

Originally Posted by SweetPete

Well we have to remember that we have a new caster coming in 7.0. Actually when we find out if it will be a selfish caster like BLM or a support caster like RDM is when we will know where summoner will go for 7.0. Like the healers we will have 2 support casters and 2 selfish dps casters.

It's going to be unbelievably asinine if the Summoner job, which has had versatile support skills in most of the FF games it has appeared in, gets stripped down to a selfish DPS so Geomancer or Pictomancer or whatever spangly new caster they pull out of their butts can take its support-caster niche.

But it's not a foregone conclusion. We have five melee jobs and only one is selfish even though they had the option to add another when they added Reaper.

Originally Posted by Connor

I may be completely wrong, but I have a feeling the new ‘Ranged’ is going be a caster job that completely revived the old-SMN DoT playstyle. Revolving around managing and interacting with DoTs, skills that get stronger based on dots applied etc.

It’d fill both the niche old SMN left behind, and it would address the fact that currently no DoT dps job exists in game, besides maybe Bard at a stretch.

Plus, it means people who preferred the old SMN still have something to go to for the same playstyle. While I personally prefer the current iteration of Summoner as a ‘foundation’ for what the job should be, I enjoyed the old Summoner as well, and it does feel unfair that the playstyle literally doesn’t exist anymore

Im in love with all old smn iterations, and on paper this one wasn't bad either. But then they decided to make a physranged with less stuff and the core based on 1 button spam.


If the new caster has about the same feel as the old smn and they keep the smn as is with some more vfx, I will definitely go for the other one. Otherwise if the new caster is like all the new dps which are half jobs and the smn remains unchanged with a few more vfx I will abandon ff14 and finally go to the gym lol.