Thread: Summoner 7.0 Wishlist

Originally Posted by remiff

They had marketed 6.0 Summoner as a job with a real strategic aspect in the choice of summons, but in the end, that's clearly not the case,
The only aspect that can sometimes be strategic is the gap closer, but it's limited to just that one part of the rotation.

I keep seeing people say this and I don’t think that’s actually what he meant. When he said that he meant for the primals themselves if my memory serves me right. He said you will have to be strategic in which primals to use for mechanics like for example. If you have to move allot then Titan and Garuda will be the ones to use and if the boss is standing still for a bit then Ifrit will be the one to use.

I means obviously you can’t use Ifrit if there is allot of movement going on. Right? So technically he was correct. Well you can use him but the ruby abilities you cannot since they have a cast time attached. I think his words are being twisted here a bit.

Originally Posted by SweetPete

I keep seeing people say this and I don’t think that’s actually what he meant. When he said that he meant for the primals themselves if my memory serves me right. He said you will have to be strategic in which primals to use for mechanics like for example. If you have to move allot then Titan and Garuda will be the ones to use and if the boss is standing still for a bit then Ifrit will be the one to use.

I means obviously you can’t use Ifrit if there is allot of movement going on. Right? So technically he was correct. Well you can use him but the ruby abilities you cannot since they have a cast time attached. I think his words are being twisted here a bit.

5,6second of cast and the rest gemshine instant cast spam is anything but strategic.

Originally Posted by Ggwppino

5,6second of cast and the rest gemshine instant cast spam is anything but strategic.

Hey I feel you lol. I’m just saying what he said about the whole strategic thing with summoner.

In my opinion, however, they sold something that isn't. Quite dishonest, Yoshi-P first and foremost, just so as not to immediately create discontent with EW's imminent release. They made fun of those who liked smn, or even were their favorite class. From those words we expected a heavy rework, but with the right tactics and optimization like the old one had, but instead it is nothing more than a spam broil without cast.

I would be all for getting rid of Carbuncle, it adds nothing and creates problems. We already summon Carbuncle at low levels and then move on to better summons. I was only thinking of the people that might have grown attached to little guy. Adding other ways of healing ourselves seems roundabout though ... why not just fix the one we do have? Other people want to remove it and rez entirely, don't entirely understand why but fair enough.

Originally Posted by unjourneyed

The whole Resurrection removal ... I'm just going to guess the idea that Resurrection should be removed from the job only comes from the standpoint that the job loses out on potential damage and suffers in balancing in comparison to other jobs because of it. However, the idea also doesn't take in consideration that the ability to revive player characters in non-high end duties being removed would be detrimental to the rest of the playerbase. Looking at how the playerbase in casual content during this event time really nails on how much it is still required.

I buy that logic with Red Mage but not with Summoner. Because Red Mage can basically spam verraise, I accept the logic behind the argument that the devs are holding RDM back because it fills more of a support role. I don't agree with it but I accept the logic. Summoner, I do not. Summoner is doing just fine. Its ability to raise is very restricted in combat and is basically dependent on Swiftcast which is never available.

And yes, losing it would absolutely be detrimental to everybody. There is so much more going on in this game than 8/24 person content. Not every ability that exists needs to be geared toward that content. People raise their healers in dungeons and prevent resets. They raise their party members in hunt trains to save time. It can be super helpful to have extra raises in Deep Dungeons. It's a major help to everybody in Eureka. It's a QoL ability. That's why everybody can set raise in Variant Dungeons and in Bozja and why it's one of the most coveted Blue Mage spells. It's incredibly useful!

make their resurrect a phoenix based mitigation spell that they can use on self or a party member that is in risk of dying. Like excog but the raise would trigger on the player taking lethal damage and come back with 1hp.

Originally Posted by Korbei

I buy that logic with Red Mage but not with Summoner. Because Red Mage can basically spam verraise, I accept the logic behind the argument that the devs are holding RDM back because it fills more of a support role. I don't agree with it but I accept the logic. Summoner, I do not. Summoner is doing just fine. Its ability to raise is very restricted in combat and is basically dependent on Swiftcast which is never available.

And yes, losing it would absolutely be detrimental to everybody. There is so much more going on in this game than 8/24 person content. Not every ability that exists needs to be geared toward that content. People raise their healers in dungeons and prevent resets. They raise their party members in hunt trains to save time. It can be super helpful to have extra raises in Deep Dungeons. It's a major help to everybody in Eureka. It's a QoL ability. That's why everybody can set raise in Variant Dungeons and in Bozja and why it's one of the most coveted Blue Mage spells. It's incredibly useful!

Sorry but it’s probably going bye-bye in 7.0. It survived by the skin of its teeth for 6.0. That was basically Yoshi and the devs telling us don’t expect it in 7.0. If by some miracle it does survive then good but I highly doubt it. Maybe they will give the next caster one or just make RDM as the only caster who can res.