Thread: Summoner 7.0 Wishlist

Originally Posted by SweetPete

Summoner has always been flashy. Summoner is about summoning. My opinion is more summons please.

I know people saying it’s silly to give us ramuh, leviathan and shiva because it adds nothing to the job and it will only be recolours of what we currently have. It adds flashiness. Summoner in previous games always had these 6. They are the OG original and need to be added to make final fantasy XIV summoner feel complete. It just doesn’t feel complete without ramuh, shiva and Levi.

Also if people want carbuncle to attack then resurrection and physic needs to go. The job can’t have it all. I also think energy drain/siphon needs to go too. It just brings nothing to the job. Keep fester and painflare and put them on the charge system.

I do believe for level 100 we need a flat OGCD summon. Not another demi. Just a primal that will come out and attack for a bit then leave. Think, mch queen robot. Can also summon other primals too while that one is out. I think it should be either Alexander or Odin.

It's not that the majority of people think it's dumb to have them, it's just that they think it's dumb with the current etineration and the fact that the Primals don't really have unique mechanics apart from Ifrit, which has a combo gap closer.

Garuda and Titan seem quite similar overall, and they believe that many of the spell feel like reskinned Ruin spells.

They had marketed 6.0 Summoner as a job with a real strategic aspect in the choice of summons, but in the end, that's clearly not the case,
The only aspect that can sometimes be strategic is the gap closer, but it's limited to just that one part of the rotation.

Originally Posted by LoadedVirus

Seems people are more split on the Summoner than I thought, some people seem to want DPS classes to not be able to rez/heal, others seem to want the old Summoner back while others seem to want another re-haul. Interesting to see, I see Summoners used quite a bit so I thought people were fairly happy with the direction it was going in... can't keep everyone happy I guess.

The job's visual design is interesting, but the issue is that the gameplay has been very poorly developed and suffers from numerous problems.

-The job falls into the caster category but is more of a ranged physical DPS, making it quite challenging to balance the caster role, especially when there's a summoner with 99.9% mobility in the game.

-They completely obliterated the previous iteration without planning for a replacement job that drew inspiration from the old summoner's gameplay,
there was still a sizable player community who enjoyed the old job. I'm not against a complete rework, but the majority of this community despises the new summoner precisely because it retains none of the concrete elements from the old one, especially not the best aspects.
Moreover, it has transitioned from a job that required careful management and thoughtful play to one that epitomizes extreme simplicity.

-Yoshi-P marketed the summoner rework as a mobile caster with genuine strategic choices depending on the situation. In reality, this isn't particularly the case, except for Ifrit's gap closer.

-The system for pet management has been completely abolished in favor of a carbuncle that does nothing more than occasionally put up shields.
Additionally, this carbuncle is unavailable during the summoning.

-Since the majority of spells lack any real depth, many people believe that 80% of the spells are nothing more than visually glorified Ruin spells.
The summoner seems to be a level 60 job, and apart from the level 86 trait, the gameplay hardly evolves, even before reaching level 60.

In essence, some want a return to a (DoT) job like the old summoner, while others like the current summoner because it's too easy.

Many believe that the job has potential but needs significant changes without a complete overhaul, including adding depth to gameplay, reducing mobility slightly, and introducing a genuine resource management system.

And a bit more spells that aren't limited to just 4 buttons, especially ones that are more interesting. They could draw inspiration from old summoner mechanics that worked well, such as the egi-assaults, the 4-stack Ruin 4 for when mouvement was crucial,
the Phoenix 1-2 combo, the mechanics of the old Dreadwyrm Trance. from Stormblood to unlock a new burst phase (use a ressource for unlock the transe) etc,...

Sorry for the wall of text, it's not usually my style of message.

Originally Posted by SweetPete

Summoner has always been flashy. Summoner is about summoning. My opinion is more summons please.

I know people saying it’s silly to give us ramuh, leviathan and shiva because it adds nothing to the job and it will only be recolours of what we currently have. It adds flashiness. Summoner in previous games always had these 6. They are the OG original and need to be added to make final fantasy XIV summoner feel complete. It just doesn’t feel complete without ramuh, shiva and Levi.

There's no reason, other than devs not setting aside the proper time to develop the job feel, that the skills which were kept weren't reworked to be summons.

The Radiant Aegis shield shouldn't need Carbuncle to be deployed as an idle pet, it should summon Carbuncle to bestow a shield.

Fester has no connection to biological magic anymore because that no longer exists for SMN and should upgrade to 'Ramuh Trance' which manifests a ghostly Ramuh beside you to blast lightning the same way Deathflare manifests Bahamut's head.

Searing Light should create a vision of Sri Lakshmi or Susano or Ravana to buff everyone instead of being a nothingbeam from the summoner's body.

Even Physick could receive a flavor upgrade to 'Summon Mog' and flash King Mog into existence to cast Pom Cure for a trifling amount.

And they should rewrite and retcon whatever lore is necessary to have more summons at this point, because flinging magic missiles and book beams for 80% of your GCDs isn't summoning.

Also if people want carbuncle to attack then resurrection and physic needs to go. The job can’t have it all.

I don't want the pet to attack, I want the pet to not exist. Trying to preserve and expand the crappy demi-summon system instead of just making the summons into visual effects is what's hamstringing the job. I'll keep the utility rez and the meme heal, thanks.