Let's talk about Atma

[Folko]

And just how infuriatingly bad it is.

I'm no stranger to grinding. I'm generally tolerant of RNG when it comes to grinding out for a specific piece of gear or material from dungeons/raids. Because when doing that, I at the very least get some form of compensation for all of my invested time, even if I do not get the item I want at the end of the day, I still don't come out empty handed. Not the case with Atma. With Atma, you can sink HOURS in ONE ZONE farming FATEs without getting so much as getting some rare, fancy item you could at least turn for profit or other kind of use.

I am staunchly against RNG in relics. I do not understand what could ever prompt a person to incorporate RNG into something like relics, and if you were to ask me, RNG has no place being an obstacle to achieve your class' desired weapon of power.

When I think of some legendary piece of gear, I think about a pretty powerful item that takes a while to grind out. What I imagine, is a relatively long journey, but with consistent progress.

Atma is anything BUT consistent. It's such a joke of a system that merely getting my first atma, Yoshimitsu Atma, felt like a massive disappointment for all the effort put in.

Let me explain to you in brief what exactly is Atma:
It's a no skill, pure luck based game of chance. That's it. You gamble your precious time on the off chance you score an Atma crystal. There are 12 types, you need one of each, and there are TEN ARR CLASSES EACH WITH THEIR OWN ATMA WEAPON.

You could've made it so that you do X amount of FATEs will guarantee you an Atma, you could've made it so killing Y mob will guarantee you a certain Atma, you could've just made it so that you can get one of each crystal per day, making it simply timegated would have been several times preferrable than what we have now.

I am merely here to ask, if I am not the first person to come complaining about how poorly constructed and flawed the system of atma acquisition is, how come it has still not been fixed?

[CNitsah]

It's not that long, maybe 2 to 4 hours if you're unlucky. ARR relic has some really grindy steps that would benefits some rework, but this ain't one. At least it's fates, content that last for 3 min then you get another one. There is RNG everywhere with relics, and some far worst than that. In the list of RNG steps that need some kind of rework, this one is so far on the list that if you have a problem with that, you might as well just stop trying to get the relics.

[ChrysOCE]

I find with the ATMA stage (also Anima FATE step), if RNG isn't going well, to just try a different zone. Sometimes it feels like the game just decides, for an area, your RNG figure is gonna be super low and you could be doing FATES for an hour+. No evidence of that but, I dunno, it generally seems to work.

[NekoMataMata]

I find with the ATMA stage (also Anima FATE step), if RNG isn't going well, to just try a different zone. Sometimes it feels like the game just decides, for an area, your RNG figure is gonna be super low and you could be doing FATES for an hour+. No evidence of that but, I dunno, it generally seems to work.

This. I have every single ARR relic and when I was grinding out all the atmas I hopped around between zones. It's like 4 fates average for an atma I think, so if I didn't get it by then I'd move zones.

I do think that in the future, for DT relics if they give us a new fate currency they could just put relic upgrade equivalents of atma in the fate shops, but Atma isn't bad, especially considering what I've heard about it prior to its changes.

[Folko]

This. I have every single ARR relic and when I was grinding out all the atmas I hopped around between zones. It's like 4 fates average for an atma I think, so if I didn't get it by then I'd move zones.

I do think that in the future, for DT relics if they give us a new fate currency they could just put relic upgrade equivalents of atma in the fate shops, but Atma isn't bad, especially considering what I've heard about it prior to its changes.

I am consistently hopping zones every 4-5 FATEs, and it's so absurd because I can hop through the entire list and get nothing. Then I start the next day from central shroud, drop 2 maiden atmas one fate after another and then nothing else drops for the rest of the day.

I genuinely do not understand how can someone defend RNG, it doesn't reward focus and hard work, it rewards dumb luck. A player can spend well over a week trying to get all the atma crystals, while another player can just get insanely lucky and have 11 sets of atmas ready in like a day or two. That is hardly fair.

If at the very least completing FATEs actually gave something useful so as to compensate for lost time other than pocket change of Gil and GC seals.

[Deceptus]

It's not that long, maybe 2 to 4 hours if you're unlucky. ARR relic has some really grindy steps that would benefits some rework, but this ain't one. At least it's fates, content that last for 3 min then you get another one. There is RNG everywhere with relics, and some far worst than that. In the list of RNG steps that need some kind of rework, this one is so far on the list that if you have a problem with that, you might as well just stop trying to get the relics.

Or unlucky like me and do 20+ fates in a zone and don't get a single drop. It sucks and it has no logical reason to anymore especially when you have to sync down for fates.

It's the beginning of a long slog and it's also 10 year old content. The drop rate should at least be 25%, if not 50%

[NekoMataMata]

Or unlucky like me and do 20+ fates in a zone and don't get a single drop. It sucks and it has no logical reason to anymore especially when you have to sync down for fates.

It's the beginning of a long slog and it's also 10 year old content. The drop rate should at least be 25%, if not 50%

Is someone going to tell them?

I am consistently hopping zones every 4-5 FATEs, and it's so absurd because I can hop through the entire list and get nothing. Then I start the next day from central shroud, drop 2 maiden atmas one fate after another and then nothing else drops for the rest of the day.

I genuinely do not understand how can someone defend RNG, it doesn't reward focus and hard work, it rewards dumb luck. A player can spend well over a week trying to get all the atma crystals, while another player can just get insanely lucky and have 11 sets of atmas ready in like a day or two. That is hardly fair.

If at the very least completing FATEs actually gave something useful so as to compensate for lost time other than pocket change of Gil and GC seals.

Don't think anyone has done 11 sets of atmas in a day or two, assuming that's a quiet jab at me. It took me a few weeks to grind that out.

I'm not against improvements towards RNG, it's just more so that this is older optional content. There's worse older content out there in that regard I feel. Would rather they focus on not making that mistake again, with this as their reminder.

[kaynide]

Is someone going to tell them?



Don't think anyone has done 11 sets of atmas in a day or two, assuming that's a quiet jab at me. It took me a few weeks to grind that out.

I'm not against improvements towards RNG, it's just more so that this is older optional content. There's worse older content out there in that regard I feel. Would rather they focus on not making that mistake again, with this as their reminder.

Not trying to snark at you, but I was able to get all atma in a weekend over about 4 hours lazily grinding.

It was not fun and I’d never do it again, but I did. I was able to grind Excalibur in a week, mostly a few hours a day.

I didn’t feel my rng was particularly good, but rng gonna rng.

I highly doubt 11 sets are possible in a weekend, but a try hard no-sleep balls to the wall kinda guy might be able to pull it off.

[NekoMataMata]

Not trying to snark at you, but I was able to get all atma in a weekend over about 4 hours lazily grinding.

It was not fun and I’d never do it again, but I did. I was able to grind Excalibur in a week, mostly a few hours a day.

I didn’t feel my rng was particularly good, but rng gonna rng.

I highly doubt 11 sets are possible in a weekend, but a try hard no-sleep balls to the wall kinda guy might be able to pull it off.

The reason I asked them is because I grinded out 11 sets of atma(was going for 12 before I realized there were only 10 jobs in ARR). It's actually posted up here on the forums in a topic of its own, so I assumed they were poking at that.

Not to snark you in return, but you're attempting to make a point towards someone who is on the same side of the discussion as you.

[P0sitr0nic]

This. For an ancient now only for appearance weapon, it should be guaranteed.