The State of Endwalker: A 2 year Recap.

[Bonoki]

Interesting, although still unfortunate that another mod got involved to back up the one in question, but that explains a lot assuming we've got the same person in mind.

I only know from what the person responsible behind the threads told me themselves. There is actually way more to the story if what they told me is really how things went, but I'm not trying to stir any drama. All I can say is that FFXIV Discussions staff has been infiltrated by people who don't really care about the community, so someone is better off just making a whole new subreddit. It's just more of a social community anymore. FFXIV Discussions allows trolling because it's assumed the community would die and be a boring place without it. Aka: It creates engagement.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Exactly what happened with Eureka to Bozja. So many did Eureka while hating it despite complaining so there came Bozja next expac. I just will never understand putting money into something you don't like largely or aren't really enjoying. In the end it doesn't help. 1.0 got the message cause folks weren't buying into it. Talking on a forum only goes so far. I said months ago that it's time for action yet folks called me a gatekeeper among many other buzzwords n labels. Again, odd behavior.

I played 1.0 for about... 7 months at the start... And 4 months at the end for the legacy campaign. The middle I unsubbed and walked away. It was terrible and boring. Even with a large group of people to play with.



I haven't gotten to that point with the relaunch yet, and my friend group is much smaller than it was in 1.0.

[FenyxRising]

So this is "we told you so" the thread. I should ask, is this needed considering most of this forum is chronicling how bad the game apparently is (or anything CBU3 for that matter)? Or is this some sort of ego stroke? Again just asking.
How did we end up here? I'd say it's in part because people who claim to dislike the games direction who still line up every month to fund said direction. It's like idiot Madden fans that get crap every year. They pay for crap so thats what EA knows it can make money on. So no I don't suspect the changes some of you want will happen because you've shown SE you'll pay regardless. "Oh but my house", yeah no. If you want to make an actual stand trivial things like that shouldn't matter.

Why are you talking when you told people to quit the forums ? Hmm ?

[IkaraGreydancer]

Why are you talking when you told people to quit the forums ? Hmm ?

Again told one person being hateful and making a mockery of the lgbt community. Not even something to do with the game. You, your alts and many other idiots bring this point up (in a false manner) when you have nothing to counter what I'm saying. Crazy cause no one ever quotes when I've said or done this but because people don't like me they take it and run with it. Show the proof or shut tf up. Plain and simple.
Fenyx you are nothing but a crap starter here. Nothing you say helps move anything forward. And crazy enough what you do feeds into why these forums aren't listened to by the devs and I don't think you realize this. You'd rather take shots than talk about anything worth a damn and frankly it's sad. Grow up and get a better hobby.

I'll still stand by every point I made in my prior post. Countless number of franchises stagnate because people buy into it no matter what. Words again only go so far, but to a company, money speaks far louder and goes much farther. Stop funding what you aren't enjoying. If you're going to keep paying for it you have little right to keep complaining.

[Renathras]

Exactly what happened with Eureka to Bozja. So many did Eureka while hating it despite complaining so there came Bozja next expac. I just will never understand putting money into something you don't like largely or aren't really enjoying. In the end it doesn't help. 1.0 got the message cause folks weren't buying into it. Talking on a forum only goes so far. I said months ago that it's time for action yet folks called me a gatekeeper among many other buzzwords n labels. Again, odd behavior.

I wonder, though, how do we tell who does content because they enjoy it vs those that do not?

Like I really liked Eureka and, to a lesser extent, liked Bozja (the dour scenery, while fitting, gets old after a while; Eureka did that to me with snow from Pagos AND the first half of Pyros [the first time I zoned into Pyros, expecting lava flows and heat, and saw snow instead, I was legitimately annoyed]). So I enjoy those kinds of content. We can't say everyone doing them disliked them, so how do we determine the difference?

I've done Savage before, but didn't really like it. Does that mean we need to discount the Savage numbers?

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I guess my thing with this line of thinking is that it's hard to parse out which is which. But maybe that's the point you're making, too? I guess I could see your argument going either way. "SE doesn't know who is doing it that doesn't like it, the only way to show them is not to do it in the first place at all if you don't enjoy it"?

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(And for what it's worth, I agree with pretty much everything you said in the post directly above this one - Certain someone starts a lot of crap and prevents discussions/derails/insults and harasses people all the time, and they and their support group frequently make accusations that they can't support with evidence and have to doctor quotes or make "You implied!" accusations because their actual charges, made in anger and spite, don't have facts to support them. They literally have to run with the functional equivalent argument of "We imagined it, therefore it must be true" in order to justify harassing, stalking, and attacking others, which they have to justify so they can continue doing it instead of apologizing, taking people seriously, and being respectful. This is why if you or I or anyone they insult asks for proof, they never give it, instead using other insults, and when you point out that wasn't proof and if they can't proof the accusations, they should stop making them, they just insult more. They refuse to apologize, since that would mean they had been wrong, and they won't admit when their "justification" is invalid, since that would mean they have to argue fairly and can't just try to silence people they oppose with insults and harassment.)

[IkaraGreydancer]

I wonder, though, how do we tell who does content because they enjoy it vs those that do not?

Like I really liked Eureka and, to a lesser extent, liked Bozja (the dour scenery, while fitting, gets old after a while; Eureka did that to me with snow from Pagos AND the first half of Pyros [the first time I zoned into Pyros, expecting lava flows and heat, and saw snow instead, I was legitimately annoyed]). So I enjoy those kinds of content. We can't say everyone doing them disliked them, so how do we determine the difference?

I've done Savage before, but didn't really like it. Does that mean we need to discount the Savage numbers?

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I guess my thing with this line of thinking is that it's hard to parse out which is which. But maybe that's the point you're making, too? I guess I could see your argument going either way. "SE doesn't know who is doing it that doesn't like it, the only way to show them is not to do it in the first place at all if you don't enjoy it"?

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(And for what it's worth, I agree with pretty much everything you said in the post directly above this one - Certain someone starts a lot of crap and prevents discussions/derails/insults and harasses people all the time, and they and their support group frequently make accusations that they can't support with evidence and have to doctor quotes or make "You implied!" accusations because their actual charges, made in anger and spite, don't have facts to support them. They literally have to run with the functional equivalent argument of "We imagined it, therefore it must be true" in order to justify harassing, stalking, and attacking others, which they have to justify so they can continue doing it instead of apologizing, taking people seriously, and being respectful. This is why if you or I or anyone they insult asks for proof, they never give it, instead using other insults, and when you point out that wasn't proof and if they can't proof the accusations, they should stop making them, they just insult more. They refuse to apologize, since that would mean they had been wrong, and they won't admit when their "justification" is invalid, since that would mean they have to argue fairly and can't just try to silence people they oppose with insults and harassment.)

That's the tricky bit there. But yeah you basically understood what I meant. The surefire way for them to know is a lack of participation numbers (like with the likes of Old Diadem). Say new content drops and it booms but falls off a cliff very fast. That's a sure fire way to know people don't like it (accompanied by feedback online). If it still booms you then have to look on feedback to see why folks are doing it (as you should anyways). They clearly did this and made changes to streamline Boz. For some the changes were enough. For others no. But this time they have data on how many skipped the zone and went the alternative route. Valuable stuff to have going into the next (assumed) iteration of that content.


Also fully agree

[Kaurhz]

Who had their 'finger on the pulse first' is literally irrelevant, doesn't matter who did. But nice introduction I guess....

It doesn't need to go back to that level of quality. It needs to exceed it, significantly, frankly... We don't need a reskin of Bozja because they refuse to examine how it can be improved, much like they did with Orthos. We don't need a 4th reskin of Deep Dungeons either. We need stuff like dungeoneering, an open world actually brimming with life outside of the closed-off exploratory zones. The game should be beyond trying to live to past expectations. Yes, past expansions were good, but they were all still terribly flawed in one way or another. If I am honest, if people weren't inclined to force themselves through something like Eureka, or if they didn't enjoy it (Which many people at the time didn't) - Then IMO Stormblood didn't have a great deal to do either. If you liked it, you had plenty to do, if you didn't, then it was quite a cursed expansion, IMO.

Doesn't really matter when or how long it took or takes for content creators to feel mutual with other players... Everyone is going to experience it at different times, heck, some people even experienced it as early as actually during Stormblood, it's just entirely dependent on how people play and what content they interact with. If I wasn't memeing for the sake of it with Whistle While You Work crafting, and amassing a bunch of alts then it'd have been just as bad an expansion as Endwalker, on-expansion content-wise.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Aveyond, you weren't first. The game was "dying" on ARR's launch. the "Many deaths of FFXIV" thread proves you were late to the bandwagon.

[Rannie]

Aveyond, you weren't first. The game was dying on ARR's launch. the "Many deaths of FFXIV" thread proves you were late to the bandwagon.

So would this mean that ffxiv is a literal Phoenix since it keeps "dying" and coming back to life?

[CidHeiral]

I may as well strike while the iron is hot and remind people that beyond just the content creators currently riding the trend of doing tell alls about their thoughts on the state of the game, that many of us here on the forums had our finger on the pulse earlier on.

Here's "the pulse" that Aveyond had his finger on:

Women shouldn't be allowed to have a personality unless I think they're hot!

I don't think that Y'shtola with the combination of her lackluster appearence and personality gives her the same sort of pass that someone like Yotsuyu or Bayonetta gets when it comes to how they treat men. If someone is a 3, they shouldn't be treating guys like Magnai who I'll just say are 7s or 8 as if they were a 2. Also, Runar deserved someone better who was more emotionally receptive and less arrogant, especially given his warm nature.


This isn't even controversial, it's how the world works. Bad attitude, nothing going on with her looks, topped off with the Mary Sue thing and I am bewildered as to why I'm supposed to find this character likeable or why she of all people gets to be this game's postergirl.

I'm mad about femroes!

This entire experience was also made more difficult due to the presence of the latest insufferable scholar character, the female roegadyn one whose name I won’t even bother to type out. I offer all the prayers and Dynamis in the world to not have to endure its presence again in any other questline. I did not bother to read G’raha Tia’s dialogue and only got his lines second hand – my thoughts on him have already been articulated a thousand times over. What is clear to me is that this femroe is offering fierce competition for him as to which character is more annoying.

I'm mad about jokes!

https://twitter.com/aitaikimochi/sta...VkD1b5Gjqo2obQ

I feel like I shouldn't have to point out how obviously on the nose these lines of dialogue were and that I struggle to understand why they made it into the game...when such text was often criticized as being too much when it came from the previous EN localization team. As was the case for several other notable examples from EW's msq text which led to differences in understanding the story, I feel like this was a step too far in terms "creativity."

I'm mad about beds!

I did not think I would have to make this post until, prior to me even logging in, I was alerted to the fact that this is apparently one of the new mounts this patch:



I'm sorry, but why? Why after the high chair do we continue getting these strange and honestly creepy items? Who is the target audience for this? Because it isn't people like myself.

I do not want to see this stuff in game, and I cannot believe that resources were allocated to this. Not as if we didn't already have a flying bed mount anyway.

Thinly veiled rabbit misogyny!

I had no intention of interacting with the latest custom delivery NPC, only to have it reported to me that the elusive male Viis of the First has finally appeared. Only for instead of the cool forest warriors who sometimes venture forth to find their own way in the world...the dude herds sheep. Seriously?

Voeburt was also a kingdom of the First’s equivalent of Au Ra and Roegadyn. Would it not have been more appropriate for something akin to the Myths femroe to show up there instead of embarrassing male Viera further than they already have been with the Starlight Celebration quests?

Curious how Lyna gets to go be a Guard Captain whereas all Anden gets to be is a sheep farmer. Oh but he can come back to the woods whenever because Viera laws just don’t matter anymore.

You're not a man if you don't look like Captain America and all characters I don't like should be removed!

Imagine if Arenvald didn't get his legs randomly snapped in half in 6.3 and went on to join the party as our Paladin as opposed to a character with the face of a little girl. Or if instead of trying to make some kind of pretty boy, Vrtra's human visage wasn't designed in such an uncanny way.

Men usually get the short end of the stick in both customization available to players and the overall appearances of male NPCs, save a few. However, I think it's important to put an immediate halt to these sort of odd looking, widely believed to be self-inserted characters such as the aforementioned one from the alliance raid and the atrocious Viera that kept randomly showing up in Bozja wearing sunglasses.

At this point "subverting expectations" in this regard would mean staying away from those sort of quirky designed characters which have us on a fast-track to someday see our very own version of Fire Emblem Engage's toothpaste chan and delivering more along the lines of this:

The list goes on and on.

Everybody is entitled to their opinion, but Aveyond trying to characterize his past history as if he was some sort of prophet ridiculed for speaking the truth that everyone is now waking up to is absolutely hilarious. Nobody had a problem with your comments about the content drought, Avvy. They had a problem with your... everything else.