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    CidHeiral's Avatar
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    Cid Heiral
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    Hyperion
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    Dragoon Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa View Post
    Who is lashing out or trolling? You're mad because you cant flex over the plebs anymore with your contrived non-standard gameplay, I am happy that the game is being designed better. Non-standard existing by definition means the jobs aren't optimally designed. You have a regressive mentality and you're mad because you're not being pandered to anymore. Not that they ever wanted your non-standard gameplay to exist.
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    Hikaru Kurosawa
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    Dragoon Lv 95
    Quote Originally Posted by CidHeiral View Post
    Sorry what?

    What do I have to be upset about? The job is being improved for my preferences and you're complaining about the changes.

    Project harder lol
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    Gisela Thorne
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    How do you people not have this troll on your ignore list yet?
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Mateus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kissune View Post
    A lot of the stuff I've seen about the BLM rework seems to be people cheering that the one job that has thus far escaped the cursed word 'streamline' is finally being brought down. It's kinda disgusting, like pure crabs in a bucket mentality. I don't even play BLM much, and when I do it's purely casually, but I was happy that BLM was still kicking with non-standard. I feel for 'em.
    Honestly, BLM hanging on for so long gave me some hope that the dev team might know what fun gameplay looks like, but then they destroyed BLM.

    Go figure.
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    Gisela Thorne
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    Honestly, BLM hanging on for so long gave me some hope that the dev team might know what fun gameplay looks like, but then they destroyed BLM.

    Go figure.
    To be fair, it's still kind of up in the air what the changes actually mean for BLM. But it's extremely telling of what kind of community SE has fostered with these design principles, that are supposed to reduce friction between players ironically enough, that when these changes are announced, people will read them in the worst way possible and cheer for another job to "fall in line", because screw anyone for actually enjoying the gameplay.
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    Last edited by ThorneDynasty; 05-24-2024 at 10:33 AM.

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    Hikaru Kurosawa
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThorneDynasty View Post
    To be fair, it's still kind of up in the air what the changes actually mean for BLM. But it's extremely telling of what kind of community SE has fostered with these design principles, that are supposed to reduce friction between players ironically enough, that when these changes are announced, people will read them in the worst way possible and cheer for another job to "fall in line", because screw anyone for actually enjoying the gameplay.
    You act like it's not the norm to want to enjoy every job eventually. People are put off from engaging with jobs because of their current design and celebrate the changes because it means they are able to engage in them.

    At the end of the day though, if you're maladaptive and can't embrace change your opinion doesn't really matter.
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    Reldhir Ondoreil
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    Dragoon Lv 100
    "I'm not crying, you're crying!"
    -someguy

    Dude is the walking definition of "My truth"
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    Quote Originally Posted by CidHeiral View Post
    Very true. It seems "clunky" in this community often means "I couldn't be bothered to figure it out."
    What's really annoying about these people is that they come in and say "This job sucks", so you ask them why it sucks, then they proceed to say that X sucks because of Y and then they describe a very wrong way of playing the job, so you tell them that they're playing the job wrongly and this other way is the correct way, and then they hit you with "Well then, the job is clearly badly designed, they should make it so that it's impossible to play the job wrongly".

    And that's how you get stale design.
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    Reldhir Ondoreil
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    What's really annoying about these people is that they come in and say "This job sucks", so you ask them why it sucks, then they proceed to say that X sucks because of Y and then they describe a very wrong way of playing the job, so you tell them that they're playing the job wrongly and this other way is the correct way, and then they hit you with "Well then, the job is clearly badly designed, they should make it so that it's impossible to play the job wrongly".

    And that's how you get stale design.
    The same type of people that will tell you the alphabet is too long and should only include A, B and C and then proceed to only use A...


    ...incorrectly.
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    Faorin Shadowclaw
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    Balmung
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    Dancer Lv 100
    There should only be one button, so you can't possibly screw up. SMN is the only good job in the game, actually.
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