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    Player Avatar von DrWho2010
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    Limsa Lominsa
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    Maximum Powerful
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    Hyperion
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    Beschwörer Lv 100
    The problem is that Xeno/Arthars/Happy/Zepla/random youtuber can rant about FFXIV's gearing cycle till they're blue in the face, but the devs do the gearing system the way it is to maximize player retention and keep them subbed for as long as possible AS LONG AS THEY WANT TO KEEP GOING AFTER THAT CARROT. Yes, Xeno plays at a high level and can clear stuff week 1 but week 1 clear players are a very slim minority of the game population. THE DEVS CANNOT CATER TO WEEK 1 HIGH LEVEL PLAYERS.

    Most people cannot clear the savage tier within 8 weeks (or are just starting prog on the final fight), and a slightly higher number of people do not get their first savage tier clear until close to or when the odd patch comes out (because of skill/casualness/schedule/etc). That means they still have another 8-10 weeks of reclears to be done before they are done with the gearing everyone's main (then it remains to be seen if they want to continue gearing any other classes they may want to play).

    This is all assuming you started savage when it came out right away. This doesn't even begin to take in account the people that start the tier late, which the odd patch gear catch-up is designed to help out with power creep to assist people in hopefully better savage clears. The x.5 EX trial helps out with people that can't get solvents to upgrade the tome weapon so it still does serve a purpose.

    Is the gearing system dev mindset out of date? Possibly. Pushback has led to some concessions last tier and this tier with the gearing system (reduction in the amount books needed for head/hands/gloves, fixed chest rewards, book 4 to lower book exchanges). But, predictably it's never enough, me me me want gear now give me now I want it all now.

    But the youtubers want their clicks and views so they complain like this and then people rail here, and it's an endless cycle.

    why did i even post this?
    (3)

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    Player Avatar von R041
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    Oidi Grey
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    Marilith
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    Weiser Lv 90
    Zitat Zitat von DrWho2010 Beitrag anzeigen
    but the devs do the gearing system the way it is to maximize player retention and keep them subbed for as long as possible AS LONG AS THEY WANT TO KEEP GOING AFTER THAT CARROT.




    What carrot? I ain't see anything remotely carrot shaped ever.

    You mean Housing?

    I think people are starting to realize the whole gearing system isn't worth it's weight in shit.

    Edit: I do get what you mean though. Just poking.
    We know they setup the gearing the way they did to keep people chasing whatever the hell they're chasing. Meanwhile everyone else knows it doesn't even matter, so they're focusing on retention of the 5%? Braindead.
    (2)
    Geändert von R041 (16.09.23 um 09:05 Uhr)

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    Avatar von Supersnow845
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Gelehrter Lv 100
    While I agree with xeno’s core idea that EW is flawed (like most of the YouTubers) I actually really disagree with his solution

    EW has been unequivocally the best expansion for high end content (it’s only completion is SB), 2 ultimates, the normal 12 savage fights, 3 criterion and 3 criterion savage, if anything from my finger on the pulse on the high end community too much of the community is actually getting burned out by the excessive amount of content especially with how long TOP and DSR take for your average “we decided we could do DSR after crawling through UWU” static)

    The game needs field content level difficulty content that fills the patch voids (and it doesn’t have to be field content, if island sanctuary took longer than 5 minutes a week to progress it could totally count here, because I do count the ishagardian restoration here)

    I also agree with sebazy’s point, the game is stale as hell, they’ve hid it for a few expansions by overhauling the job design philosophy every expansion, this is the first expansion where it truly feels like “the previous expansion 2.0” and with that happens it becomes almost painfully obvious how stale the formula is
    (3)

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    Avatar von Zakuyia
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    Zakuyia Shizyuie
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    Zalera
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    Tänzer Lv 100
    So like were back to saving ff14 man people tell that guy to play PSO2 NGS they need some guidance XD doing great over here them poor saps are hurting over there tell xeno to help them.
    (0)


    You open the door theres nothing in sight. You close the door wondering whats in sight. But lets be honest its probably gonna just let you down.

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    Avatar von Aldath
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    Ghael Rehw-setlas
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    So like were back to saving ff14 man people tell that guy to play PSO2 NGS they need some guidance XD doing great over here them poor saps are hurting over there tell xeno to help them.
    Honestly NGS is a mirror of what might become of XIV in a not so distant future.
    (1)

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    Avatar von Renathras
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    Ren Thras
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    Famfrit
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    Weißmagier Lv 100
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    My thread is better
    At least that's worth it, yes.

    We didn't need ANOTHER reaction reaction thread, as we already have one at 150 pages. But hell, I'll bump this one to oppose Fenyx trolling/spamming the forums. Screw it, why not?

    Still have no idea who this creator is, and at this point, I've already reached saturation on caring about YouTube creator videos thanks to Fenyx spamming them.
    (5)

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    Avatar von remiff
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    Caius Megaflare
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    Ragnarok
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    Beschwörer Lv 100
    While some of the points he raised are true (such as the fact that the game is outdated in certain aspects like the gameplay,gear,tomestones,etc,...),
    I really don't think adding difficult content would be a savior for the game,
    on the contrary, maybe it will be the case for those who enjoy this type of content, but it's quite obvious that the participation rate in savage raids is negligible, not to mention the ultimate ones.

    So, I'm not sure if this solution is effective, either in the short or long term.

    No, they should add innovative PvE content that is neither too easy nor too difficult, making it accessible to everyone and providing sufficient engagement,
    and I'm not necessarily referring only to exploration area.
    (4)

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    Avatar von KitingGenbu
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    Alex Carver
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    Is AI being used to make these threads or something? This one and the other were made within 5 minutes of each other dealing with the same person. Feels sus.....
    (1)

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    Avatar von Jeeqbit
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    Oscarlet Oirellain
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    Jenova
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Zitat Zitat von KitingGenbu Beitrag anzeigen
    Is AI being used to make these threads or something? This one and the other were made within 5 minutes of each other dealing with the same person. Feels sus.....
    One of them was made by the person who usually makes threads about these things, and this one just happened to get posted at around the same time.
    (2)
    In other news, there is no technical debt from 1.0.
    "We don't have ... a technological issue that was carried over from 1.0, because ARR was meant to kind of discard what we had from 1.0 and rebuild it from the engine."
    https://youtu.be/ge32wNPaJKk?t=560

    Zitat Zitat von Jeeqbit Beitrag anzeigen
    Want to know why new content will never last more than 20 minutes? Full breakdown:

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    Avatar von kaynide
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    Kris Goldenshield
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    Tonberry
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    Gladiator Lv 100
    Could you (and others posting the zomg look at this YouTuber!!11 threads) please, please please give us a TL;dr? Like the main takeaways, if there are any. And/or any novel arguments they might be making? If it’s just more of the same… eh.

    No offense to anyone mind you, just wanna know if the link is actually worth the time.
    (1)

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