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    Ixon's Avatar
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    Nola Ustrina
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    Cactuar
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Llynethil View Post
    That's 5 sec of extra healing and DR a drk gets from being in it instead of pulling him out instantly which can mean the diff between killing or forcing valuable lb or drk just standing there and tanking it.

    Also makes melee teammates not have to take unneccesary damage by being able to leave the salt.

    Everything needs counterplay (although sadly not everything has it), things like this and aformentioned cover are countered by knockbacks/pulls.
    So what counterplay is there to knockbacks and pull ins? What counterplay is there to 5 chain pull ins? Please don't say "just Guard it".

    Is there any other defense against this other than a single ability on a 2min cooldown that most people just walk inside of anyway?
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    Cain Andleft
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ixon View Post
    So what counterplay is there to knockbacks and pull ins? What counterplay is there to 5 chain pull ins? Please don't say "just Guard it".

    Is there any other defense against this other than a single ability on a 2min cooldown that most people just walk inside of anyway?
    Get good with positioning so you don't end up in a bad state, dash away on a job with dashes, or play WAR.

    Literally though, Guard is the best answer and you're meant to play around with the assumption on how powerful Guard can be, but play more cautiously when Guard is on cooldown. Unlike other CC, displacement skills doesn't lock your character in place after it is done so they have just as strong advantages and disadvantages when used properly.

    At least, until SE starts nerfing fall damage further and reducing the impact it has compared to CC.
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    Llynethil Kindle
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    Yea I am gonna mention guard, if you guard when a drk runs in, you don't get pulled and you don't take a ton of drg followup damage, if war just jumped you, you can guard and prevent getting blota'd, which most likely is gonna come out soon after, guard IS a counter to those.

    And it's only 30s cd so it's up when next they try it again, it's as good a counter as purify is to a stun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Llynethil View Post
    Yea I am gonna mention guard, if you guard when a drk runs in, you don't get pulled and you don't take a ton of drg followup damage, if war just jumped you, you can guard and prevent getting blota'd, which most likely is gonna come out soon after, guard IS a counter to those.

    And it's only 30s cd so it's up when next they try it again, it's as good a counter as purify is to a stun.
    Not sure if you missed where I said that this is mainly for large scale PVP modes, but this strat does not work well in large scale PVP modes. Sure, you can Guard the first DRK pull, but what about the 5 more that come after? How are you keeping track of every DRK/WAR/SMN in the enemy party? How dead are you when you are sitting there guarding as the enemy surrounds you and just kills you after your guard wears when if the buff had anti-knockback, you could more safely run away? What about when you do guard, guard falls, you get cc'd(cause there is a billion of them, you use Purify to escape, only to get hit by more DRK pulls, WAR pulls, SMN knockbacks? What use is there when you are full prepared with every tool at your disposal, just for one crowd control to not be countered by the anti-crowd control button?

    I don't think you are taking latency and animations into affect either. By the time you may see a DRK Plunging in and hit Guard, you might still be pulled in due to latency and animations(have had it happen before). Same with WAR. If you get stun'd by a WAR, you have to go through Purify AND Guard and there is a good chance that by the time those go out, it's too late.

    This would do very, very, little to affect anything in CC. Though it would have a huge impact in the large scale PVP modes that more people play by making it a more fair, and therefore more enjoyable, experience.
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    I play a lot of frontlines, on NA servers from EU so I always have to deal with more latency then the rest of the party, I rarely ever die to drk/drg and if I do, guard tends to work just fine, this just sounds like a positioning and awareness problem to me.
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