Airships and Submersibles

[Nabril]

This is a strange feature. I get why it was done the way it was, but I don't think it works as intended. It was done so that FCs would have something to do as a team. All well and good- that's a very great goal, but I've only seen it used by one or two people. Either the FC leader has sole access to it and no one else gets to even help, or an officer gets tasked and he does it all.

I joined a small FC and handled the airships and subs because they were not being done at all and the moment I was through sinking millions of gil and a lot of hours gathering, crafting, and making deals with other FCs to get the materials for unlocking more components for faster upgrades, I was booted out of the FC and ghosted by the leader.

It just seems to me that considering how profitable this system is, it should be something available to all players, not just FC leaders. I myself just made my own FC and I'm going to have sole use of the Airships and Subs. I've worked too hard on it in the past and I'm not going to risk again getting burned for my efforts. I'm going to get to the end game and rake in all of the profits.

And this is why I'm making this post- with as profitable as this system is (in WoW, we called them "table missions"), more and more people are just going to make their own FCs and buy up houses just for this system. That's not what the devs had in mind when they created these table missions, but it's certainly what's happened.

[Caseal]

airships and submarines are a time sink meant to extract subscription time
it takes an average of 6 months to get a single submersible to farm level
it used to require full fcs present in the workshop and gathering the mats but that didnt work as well as you think it did

[SannaR]

airships and submarines are a time sink meant to extract subscription time
it takes an average of 6 months to get a single submersible to farm level
it used to require full fcs present in the workshop and gathering the mats but that didnt work as well as you think it did

It never needed more than four people to craft parts in the workshop. I'm also not sure why you'd think that or that it took just as many to gather the mats. Normally a small handful is all you need or at least what normally ends up happening.

[LianaThorne]

This is a strange feature. I get why it was done the way it was, but I don't think it works as intended. It was done so that FCs would have something to do as a team. All well and good- that's a very great goal, but I've only seen it used by one or two people. Either the FC leader has sole access to it and no one else gets to even help, or an officer gets tasked and he does it all.

I joined a small FC and handled the airships and subs because they were not being done at all and the moment I was through sinking millions of gil and a lot of hours gathering, crafting, and making deals with other FCs to get the materials for unlocking more components for faster upgrades, I was booted out of the FC and ghosted by the leader.

It just seems to me that considering how profitable this system is, it should be something available to all players, not just FC leaders. I myself just made my own FC and I'm going to have sole use of the Airships and Subs. I've worked too hard on it in the past and I'm not going to risk again getting burned for my efforts. I'm going to get to the end game and rake in all of the profits.

And this is why I'm making this post- with as profitable as this system is (in WoW, we called them "table missions"), more and more people are just going to make their own FCs and buy up houses just for this system. That's not what the devs had in mind when they created these table missions, but it's certainly what's happened.

Not trying to step on your excitement but there are faster ways to make large amounts of gil, market flipping being the biggest one I can think of. My top pull for a week was close to 50-60m gil while one sub can pull in I think a few hundred thousand every couple days. There's also gambling where my friend made 300m+ in one night through death roll. Obviously it's gambling so do it at your own risk. It's way easier to just learn how to market flip.

Most people who want to make money off subs multi-own houses because of that for access to more submarines and therefore millions upon millions of gil per week.

[Nabril]

Think everyone missed my point and that's my fault for not being more clear.

Free Company houses are being taken by FCs with a single member because of this. Just saying. I think if it was made so that anyone could do it (if they wanted to), it would stop people from taking up houses. Unless I'm wrong and it's not at all important in this game that Free Companies find that there are no available housing.

And I know what's involved in this. I've done the work. I know it's a crap shoot gamble with the market place. I know all that. That wasn't my point. My point was that to do this content, I'm going to have to grab my own FC house. It sucks that this is the only way.

[Jojoya]

Think everyone missed my point and that's my fault for not being more clear.

Free Company houses are being taken by FCs with a single member because of this. Just saying. I think if it was made so that anyone could do it (if they wanted to), it would stop people from taking up houses. Unless I'm wrong and it's not at all important in this game that Free Companies find that there are no available housing.

And I know what's involved in this. I've done the work. I know it's a crap shoot gamble with the market place. I know all that. That wasn't my point. My point was that to do this content, I'm going to have to grab my own FC house. It sucks that this is the only way.

They've mentioned they're thinking about adding personal workshops to the game in the future. Have no idea if/when it will actually happen.

One thing I can promise is that it won't stop the shell FCs from being formed. While a large percentage of them are due to players wanting to run a workshop, some get formed to make it easier to buy a house just to have a house or to get access to the daily FC actions of their choice.

The developers really need to revisit the rewards in the FC system if they are trying to turn the game from a MMORPG to a RPG that can be played alone or with friends. If they don't do a better job of making the rewards available to the solo player or rework them so it truly does require a group of players to have access, shell FCs will become more and more common with players taking advantage of the loopholes in the system to get those rewards.

[Musashidon]

submarines and airships have been a thing for a very long time, the payoff just isn't worth it for a player to either make a new character and fc to have an alt for this or to leave their current fc with friends to make on for this content so there is no real worry about all spots being taken up due to this reason.

while there is potential for easy and effortless gil to be made aka fight club being the easiest and most reliable, as said it takes a long time to get your submarines in shape to do anything with them and even more gil if you want to make them optimal.