Please fix this part of fishing :{

[Hasrat]

Honestly it's in your own best interest right now to not continue further with Big fishing just for the sake of "completing the log." Remove that desire entirely. Sure, it's quite often an initial motivator. But, along the way, you have to develop some enjoyment from the process, or it will burn you, hard.

You're complaining about ARR fish being a struggle? Those are among the easiest and most nerfed fish in the game, due to the complete lack of skills when they were introduced compared to the tools we have now. There's only a few that may qualify as troublesome still, and none on the level of fish in later expansions.

Big fishing is a test of wills. And if this is all it takes to get under your skin, your sanity is at risk in the face of even more notorious targets.

[ICountFrom0]

The funny thing about burnout?

Fishing is what I do WHEN I burn out on other things.

When the hype is huge, and everybody is excighted, and I'm just burnt out and just don't CARE...

... you'll find me fishing in some volcano somewhere.

[Everra]

I get that some things are supposed to be more difficult. Tedium is not something I've ever had a problem with.

Yes, I AM a completionist and I collect achievements.

When the line is crossed where even *I* am starting to pull my hair out - something is up.

It all seems to be in the lower levels. I'm wondering if there is something broken in the code where if you have too MANY stats - you miss.

Cause that's what happening. Ignus Horn - I'm looking at you.

I have hit dozens of windows. Many have no bite - and the few I've had - were misses.

Do I need to strip naked to fish? That doesn't seem right at all.

[DrWho2010]

Just because RNGesus isn't being kind to you doesn't automatically translate into "the game code is broken".

If there was an actual bug, you should report it.


If not, game is playing out as intended and you're just having a run of bad numbers not rolling in your favor.

[Everra]

Just because RNGesus isn't being kind to you doesn't automatically translate into "the game code is broken".

If there was an actual bug, you should report it.


If not, game is playing out as intended and you're just having a run of bad numbers not rolling in your favor.

That is why I came here - to see if it matched up with anyone else's experience. Trust me - there are things that can happen after this long a time and very old content.

Whether it has or not, is what I'm trying to determine. But when I am sitting in maxxed out gear and lvl 90 for hours - and I see sprouts land beside me and THEIR catch lands, it does make me wonder.

It's not that the bites are few and far between - which they are, it's that I can't seem to land them for the life of me in ARR content.

[Cleretic]

That is why I came here - to see if it matched up with anyone else's experience. Trust me - there are things that can happen after this long a time and very old content.

Whether it has or not, is what I'm trying to determine. But when I am sitting in maxxed out gear and lvl 90 for hours - and I see sprouts land beside me and THEIR catch lands, it does make me wonder.

It's not that the bites are few and far between - which they are, it's that I can't seem to land them for the life of me in ARR content.

If you think a fish is bugged, the best angle is to bring it to other fishers. 'Sample size of one' is a killer in fishing experiences, especially when you're going through the journey solo; Sometimes you just roll a critical fail, and a random completely unimpressive fish becomes your nemesis. In fact, most people who are big into fishing can probably name one or two of them in their experience (mine are Golden Pipira and Cosmic Haze). Mostly fishing people hang out in dedicated discord servers, but they are public.

Of course, there's no way to increase your chance to catch a fish after a point; rare fish especially will always have a chance to get away. It doesn't matter how good your Gathering and Perception rating is, the chance for losing the easiest big fish to catch in the game is always the same once you meet the Gathering rating catch it in the first place.

All that said, while I very much doubt you're hitting a bug, Ignus Horn is exactly the sort of fish that could be bugged for a while; as it's been explained to me, the rarest fish in the game are often the ones with the most active people watching them. So despite the really low odds for catching, say, Cinder Surprise, the collective community would still notice if something about it broke, because there's enough people all going for the exact same fish that we'd notice a change in statistical odds. But something relatively 'quiet' like Ignus Horn wouldn't have that level of attention on it; if something somehow broke that fish, it would be much harder to notice.

So if you really, genuinely think that a fish is broken, the best choice is to get a crowd of fishers together and test it; create enough of a sample size so as to be statistically significant, and then prove that the average of what you get is lower than the average we all expect. Yeah, that's a bit of a pain, but it's the only way to prove that something isn't working as intended in a fundamentally luck-based part of the game.

"[Fishing] is a way for the player to communicate with the environment of Eorzea" is the quote from YoshiP around the launch of 2.0, I believe. You can even look at the fishing log to see how fishing and the world itself are intertwined.

I can't speak for any statements at launch, but a very similar quote came up in the lore and localization panel in the latest FanFest, so it's still a direction they hold to!

[Fruity_Snacks]

Has anyone pointed out that the original and still intentional design of fishing is not to be a collectables thing, not to be something players just do and move on with, not even meant to be a place for players to show off their 'skill'?

It is - instead - designed to be a part of the game that intentionally slows the player down. It has, and continues to be, designed in such a way that the player has to stop and appreciate the environment and the world. "[Fishing] is a way for the player to communicate with the environment of Eorzea" is the quote from YoshiP around the launch of 2.0, I believe. You can even look at the fishing log to see how fishing and the world itself are intertwined.

Now, to your point on catching Lv50 fish in 90 BiS, and claiming "what's the point if it's not making it easier to catch?" The thing is, it does make it easier.

At Lv50, when the fish would be 'on content' - you have barely any skills. Fish would be significantly more difficult to catch. Even if you're, Lv90 in Lv50 gear, you won't have enough GP to utilize some of the recent skills. Shonisaurus, over in Witchdrop - when it was released back in 2.5 or something, you had only Mooch to use, which means (at the time) you had to get lucky with your bites and hope for multiple HQ (now large-sized) fish in a row to even had a chance.

Come Heavensward and the level cap of 60, Fisher's got Patience I and II (P1 was originally a Lv50+ skill!), meaning you didn't have to hope for luck to get your HQ fish to mooch; a HUGE nerf to the fish. Add in some new baits and in just one expansion, it went from being one of the hardest fish to catch to one of the easier ones.

Then Stormblood, we get Double Hook. All those Heavensward fish like Charibenet or Sea Butterfly that required multiple fish to trigger Fisher's Intuition? All nerfed because now you could catch more than one at a time, meaning more intuitions per window, and more chances to catch the fish.

Jump ahead to Shadowbringers and we get Identical Cast and Surface Slap - the latter being the most powerful skill in a fishers arsenal. Literally able to affect the chance of a fish biting. Unconditional, a Stormblood Legendary fish in Azim Steppe overnight became one of the most straightforward fish to catch. Use Stonefly Larva, catch a Nhaama's boon, and Slap it, and the next fish that'll bite in the window will be Unconditional, 100% of the time. Will it stick? Not as often, but it went from being "it'll take me multiple windows to catch" to "I can probably catch multiple in a single window." ... and this is before we even talk about the new Fish Eyes change.

[Fruity_Snacks]

(Continued because I ran out of post space)

You say "What's the point of gearing and grinding for the relic tool then, if it doesn't help you making fishing easier?" - the point is to give you access to as many of the tools as you possibly can to improve those RNG chances that you are concerned about. Leveling and getting gear means you can actually catch the fish (as all big fish have minimum gathering points you need to meet in order to have a chance to catch when they bite). Better gear gives you more GP to utilize the skills that have been added over time to make fishing easier and more accessible to casual players (as you call yourself).

It's as you requested: "again they can make the big fish of the current patch to be very hard & slippery to catch, but let the old ones get easier to catch as you get 'stronger', just the way how most of the thing in the game is, which is basically to give a sense of progression."

This is exactly what happens, however unclear as it may be. Fishing has, and remains, a progressive job that has the player slow down to soak up and enjoy the world. It is uniquely the ONLY feature of the game that does this. If you're in it just to check the boxes and then move on as quick as you can, you are in for a bad time.

[Astrahime]

ealad skaan doesn't exist