DRK and DRG are extremely easy to counter in Frontlines

[FenyxRising]

lmfao
DRK and triple AST works against rouletters that don't have guard bound because it requires just a little bit less of setup and also because Macro is an oGCD. It does nothing against competent players. But then you'd say that DRG does nothing against guard either, and you'd be correct, which is why the meta comp is DRK, DRG and WAR for guard breaking, plus a flex (typically just another DRK for an additional pull, DRG for more burst, or another WAR to rotate LBs and guard break every other salted). AST and the "ability to keep the DRK alive" is a meme and you're out of your mind if you think that any ranged job is meta in this FL patch. Hell, I remember this one match on JP where some dudes were playing 4 AST and they switched to SMN halfway through the match because the average JP rouletter guards so their Macrocosmos burst was barely doing anything.
An AST charges at you? Literally sneeze in their general direction and it dies lmao

Of course nothing does well against competent players, but I said DRK AST AST [filler] not triple AST, learn to read ? Also imagine thinking DRG is better against competent players; competent players don't stack nicely in a line for your DRG burst ^^

And no AST charges at anyone, Macrocosmos is 20 yalms, if you're charging in sounds like you're playing it wrong.

[Elfidan]

It's always funny to see people apply logical plays to problems as if a duty roulette isn't full of strangers of varying skill levels and intent to commit. It's like telling a group of people who are Grand master to never seen the board before that a four-move check mate is easy to counter except sometimes you also don't have certain pieces and the pawns refuse to change to knights, bishops, or rooks.

[Kathleen_]

Of course nothing does well against competent players, but I said DRK AST AST [filler] not triple AST, learn to read ? Also imagine thinking DRG is better against competent players; competent players don't stack nicely in a line for your DRG burst ^^

If you're going with something like WAR or RPR as filler instead of playing triple AST you might as well just drop the AST altogether in favour of the job that does more damage and isn't made out of paper. I'm not even going to bother commenting on the not stacking part... lol

And no AST charges at anyone, Macrocosmos is 20 yalms, if you're charging in sounds like you're playing it wrong.

I already know you waste your time trolling on the forums instead of playing the game, but are you being genuinely serious now or just trolling? It's a 20y circle, with its center being your hitbox, so the radius in front of you is 10y. LOL

It's always funny to see people apply logical plays to problems as if a duty roulette isn't full of strangers of varying skill levels and intent to commit. It's like telling a group of people who are Grand master to never seen the board before that a four-move check mate is easy to counter except sometimes you also don't have certain pieces and the pawns refuse to change to knights, bishops, or rooks.

It doesn't matter if you're against skilled players or rouletters, because ultimately DRG does the same thing but better and is much tankier to boot. Pretending otherwise is just being delusional.

[Oizen]

I thought the problem was that DRK and DRG are only op in Frontlines specifically, and pvp is balanced for CC, where both of them are only okay.

I dont think you can make frontlines feel good.

[Elfidan]

It doesn't matter if you're against skilled players or rouletters, because ultimately DRG does the same thing but better and is much tankier to boot. Pretending otherwise is just being delusional.

It does matter what the team make up is, but it doesn't matter if you try to apply strategy to a match up where half to three fourths of your team isn't paying attention or onboard with it. If you watch, you will see people play one of two ways. Murderball or stack spread based on the situation. You can't really know which you're going to get beforehand. You can of course try to educate people but that can also bear mixed fruit. Even with punctuation tone is completely lost on the majority of people so if you're trying to be helpful its often taken as a slight or disrespect. In the end the ownness is once again on Square for not bothering to do even a halfway decent job of teaching people before they turn them loose in the mode. You get encouraged to go do hall of the novice in PVE before your first dungeon and PVP should have something similar, except it should be mandatory.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Hi, only here to correct some info about Astrologian.

I already know you waste your time trolling on the forums instead of playing the game, but are you being genuinely serious now or just trolling? It's a 20y circle, with its center being your hitbox, so the radius in front of you is 10y. LOL

The 20y listed on Macrocosmos is not the circle span (diameter), that is the radius starting from you. Therefore Macrocosmos has a diameter of 40y (i.e. longest distance within the circle) with you as the center.

To explain the significance between 10y and 20y radius, here the surface area of those circles.
Formula: r² * π(pi) = ? y² (square yalms)

• (10)² * π = 314.1 y² (100% base)
• (20)² * π = 1256.6 y² (400% relative)

So a 10y radius circle only has a quarter of the surface area of a 20y radius circle.

[FenyxRising]

Hi, only here to correct some info about Astrologian.

The 20y listed on Macrocosmos is not the circle span (diameter), that is the radius starting from you. Therefore Macrocosmos has a diameter of 40y (i.e. longest distance within the circle) with you as the center.

To explain the significance between 10y and 20y radius, here the surface area of those circles.
Formula: r² * π(pi) = ? y² (square yalms)

• (10)² * π = 314.1 y² (100% base)
• (20)² * π = 1256.6 y² (400% relative)

So a 10y radius circle only has a quarter of the surface area of a 20y radius circle.

How embarrassing for Kathleen.

Sounds like she actually doesn't know how to play Astrologian. This tells you all you need to know about her credentials. ^^

No wonder she is dying again and again on Astro, she's charging in to Macrocosmos. Yikes.

[Llynethil]

He still ain't wrong though in general.

You can even take 2 BLM instead of 2 ast and have 6 flare/freeze charges of 2*12k st + 8k aoe, 4 * 3stack superflare dot/stun and 2 fouls for 16k dmg, and their lb recharges almost twice as fast so if you have 2 drk's you can do it again every minute if both drk's rotate.

Great to have an ast in your raid, but 2 ast really isn't the top combo for drk, there are several other ones that are straight up better.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

How embarrassing for Kathleen.

Sounds like she actually doesn't know how to play Astrologian. This tells you all you need to know about her credentials. ^^

No wonder she is dying again and again on Astro, she's charging in to Macrocosmos. Yikes.

Fenyx, with all due respect, all I pointed out was technical details about Macrocosmos that someone may have gotten wrong. You can't infere from this error that they got closer for that reason - they might as well thought 10y radius is what is the actual 20y radius in physical distance.

If you tirelessly search for avenues to cause a shitstorm, don't let it be on a mere correction of math.

[Aravell]

He still ain't wrong though in general.

You can even take 2 BLM instead of 2 ast and have 6 flare/freeze charges of 2*12k st + 8k aoe, 4 * 3stack superflare dot/stun and 2 fouls for 16k dmg, and their lb recharges almost twice as fast so if you have 2 drk's you can do it again every minute if both drk's rotate.

Great to have an ast in your raid, but 2 ast really isn't the top combo for drk, there are several other ones that are straight up better.

BLM may do more damage in total, but in execution of the DRK combo, you'd want as much damage in as little time as possible (before people use Guard). In that, AST does way more damage than BLM can reasonably output in that timeframe. Flare + Superflare (15000) or Foul (16000) vs Doublecast Gravity + Macrocosmos (28000).