DRK and DRG are extremely easy to counter in Frontlines

[Kathleen_]

Of course nothing does well against competent players, but I said DRK AST AST [filler] not triple AST, learn to read ? Also imagine thinking DRG is better against competent players; competent players don't stack nicely in a line for your DRG burst ^^

If you're going with something like WAR or RPR as filler instead of playing triple AST you might as well just drop the AST altogether in favour of the job that does more damage and isn't made out of paper. I'm not even going to bother commenting on the not stacking part... lol

And no AST charges at anyone, Macrocosmos is 20 yalms, if you're charging in sounds like you're playing it wrong.

I already know you waste your time trolling on the forums instead of playing the game, but are you being genuinely serious now or just trolling? It's a 20y circle, with its center being your hitbox, so the radius in front of you is 10y. LOL

It's always funny to see people apply logical plays to problems as if a duty roulette isn't full of strangers of varying skill levels and intent to commit. It's like telling a group of people who are Grand master to never seen the board before that a four-move check mate is easy to counter except sometimes you also don't have certain pieces and the pawns refuse to change to knights, bishops, or rooks.

It doesn't matter if you're against skilled players or rouletters, because ultimately DRG does the same thing but better and is much tankier to boot. Pretending otherwise is just being delusional.

[Elfidan]

It doesn't matter if you're against skilled players or rouletters, because ultimately DRG does the same thing but better and is much tankier to boot. Pretending otherwise is just being delusional.

It does matter what the team make up is, but it doesn't matter if you try to apply strategy to a match up where half to three fourths of your team isn't paying attention or onboard with it. If you watch, you will see people play one of two ways. Murderball or stack spread based on the situation. You can't really know which you're going to get beforehand. You can of course try to educate people but that can also bear mixed fruit. Even with punctuation tone is completely lost on the majority of people so if you're trying to be helpful its often taken as a slight or disrespect. In the end the ownness is once again on Square for not bothering to do even a halfway decent job of teaching people before they turn them loose in the mode. You get encouraged to go do hall of the novice in PVE before your first dungeon and PVP should have something similar, except it should be mandatory.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Hi, only here to correct some info about Astrologian.

I already know you waste your time trolling on the forums instead of playing the game, but are you being genuinely serious now or just trolling? It's a 20y circle, with its center being your hitbox, so the radius in front of you is 10y. LOL

The 20y listed on Macrocosmos is not the circle span (diameter), that is the radius starting from you. Therefore Macrocosmos has a diameter of 40y (i.e. longest distance within the circle) with you as the center.

To explain the significance between 10y and 20y radius, here the surface area of those circles.
Formula: r² * π(pi) = ? y² (square yalms)

• (10)² * π = 314.1 y² (100% base)
• (20)² * π = 1256.6 y² (400% relative)

So a 10y radius circle only has a quarter of the surface area of a 20y radius circle.

[FenyxRising]

Hi, only here to correct some info about Astrologian.

The 20y listed on Macrocosmos is not the circle span (diameter), that is the radius starting from you. Therefore Macrocosmos has a diameter of 40y (i.e. longest distance within the circle) with you as the center.

To explain the significance between 10y and 20y radius, here the surface area of those circles.
Formula: r² * π(pi) = ? y² (square yalms)

• (10)² * π = 314.1 y² (100% base)
• (20)² * π = 1256.6 y² (400% relative)

So a 10y radius circle only has a quarter of the surface area of a 20y radius circle.

How embarrassing for Kathleen.

Sounds like she actually doesn't know how to play Astrologian. This tells you all you need to know about her credentials. ^^

No wonder she is dying again and again on Astro, she's charging in to Macrocosmos. Yikes.

[Mayhemmer]

A DRG uses Geirskogul, attack them ASAP, force them to lose their momentum to use Guard or end Blood of the Dragon early.

A DRK charges at you, bind them with Gravity or silence with Bard.

You can even neutralize BH5 DRGs and DRKs by just using MNK LB when they're charging in.

Finally, see Salted Earth, just RP walk away, it's that easy to dodge. If you get stuck, use Guard. Or don't even get sucked in, DRKs are always so obvious when they just run in. And DRG's LB is ridiculously easy to dodge.

The really problematic class is actually Astrologian, sorry to say but I don't think you're very skillful if you think DRK and DRG are problematic ^^

These all work, sure... -in a vacuum. But Frontlines isn't a vacuum, so they don't work. ^^

[Elfidan]

It's always funny to see people apply logical plays to problems as if a duty roulette isn't full of strangers of varying skill levels and intent to commit. It's like telling a group of people who are Grand master to never seen the board before that a four-move check mate is easy to counter except sometimes you also don't have certain pieces and the pawns refuse to change to knights, bishops, or rooks.

[Oizen]

I thought the problem was that DRK and DRG are only op in Frontlines specifically, and pvp is balanced for CC, where both of them are only okay.

I dont think you can make frontlines feel good.

[Llynethil]

He still ain't wrong though in general.

You can even take 2 BLM instead of 2 ast and have 6 flare/freeze charges of 2*12k st + 8k aoe, 4 * 3stack superflare dot/stun and 2 fouls for 16k dmg, and their lb recharges almost twice as fast so if you have 2 drk's you can do it again every minute if both drk's rotate.

Great to have an ast in your raid, but 2 ast really isn't the top combo for drk, there are several other ones that are straight up better.

[Aravell]

He still ain't wrong though in general.

You can even take 2 BLM instead of 2 ast and have 6 flare/freeze charges of 2*12k st + 8k aoe, 4 * 3stack superflare dot/stun and 2 fouls for 16k dmg, and their lb recharges almost twice as fast so if you have 2 drk's you can do it again every minute if both drk's rotate.

Great to have an ast in your raid, but 2 ast really isn't the top combo for drk, there are several other ones that are straight up better.

BLM may do more damage in total, but in execution of the DRK combo, you'd want as much damage in as little time as possible (before people use Guard). In that, AST does way more damage than BLM can reasonably output in that timeframe. Flare + Superflare (15000) or Foul (16000) vs Doublecast Gravity + Macrocosmos (28000).

[Llynethil]

BLM can save the flares for when people start guarding and continue after, I've ran down tons of people while flarespamming when I have a drk ally pulling them in, speaking from experience, it is rediculously powerfull and you can do it from a safer distance than astro, which is the biggest plus.

That and it's a mass cc if you do some freezes ontop of it so you can snare them all after the guards go down as the ice stacks stay and continue to pile up even if guarded, so insta aoe bind/stun on enemy raid to allow other aoe to keep raining hell on em.