What is Midcore? Why does it matter?

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I don't think you understand what midcore even means.
We're talking about content that doesn't put you to sleep, requires a certain level of commitment, has a long progression system you can get invested into, and it's something you can do for a long while in the game.

Casual content doesn't require any of this. You don't commit to anything, there's no real long term progression, and there's nothing inciting you to ever come back if you don't want to. Roulettes, MSQ Dungeons, MSQ Trails, etc.

Difficulty doesn't define what kind of content you're doing, rather how much commitment that content requires from you. Of course difficulty plays a part, but it's hardly the only thing.

I'm curious. Do you have your completed Elemental Armor?

Nope. I hated eureka. Haven't even finished a relic in there. It's still casual content tho. The weapons were ugly imo, and so was the armor. No reason to do it and none of my friends were really into it either.



There's no real commitment to it. You never have to go back if you don't want to.



I've done potd to 200, hoh to 100. Haven't done the latest deep dungeon because I just haven't had time.



I did every bozja relic. It was very casual. Worked on it bit by bit over the years it was relevant before endwalker released.



EX trials require very little commitment and the time investment isn't much either. Less than a stint in eureka.

[DiaDeem]

Do you have your completed Elemental Armor?

Nope.

Yeah, I figured..

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Yeah, I figured..

Not sure what that has to do with anything.



Have you completed bozja? Do you have all the big fish? Have you done potd or hoh to 200 and 100 respectively?


Do you have multiple arr relics? All of the Heavensward ones?

[DiaDeem]

Have you completed bozja? Do you have all the big fish?

See... the fact that you're comparing those two in the same sentence tells me that you really have no idea what midcore means to the people who want that kind of content.

As for your questions: Yeah, I have completed Bozja and Eureka. I don't have all the big fish, and I've got to floor 70 in HoH but that's about it, since going higher as a SCH is a bit on the... ehem, hardcore side of things. I do have a bunch of Animas, some of them made when the content was current, but not all of them as they, well... require a lot of investment and time. And I'm sorry, but the fact that you're judging Eureka as a whole without even engaging with the content is making it hard to take you seriously and further cements the fact that you have no idea what a midcore player actually wants. So yeah, I figured you wouldn't even have your Elemental Armor, and I was right.

It's a bit sad that you advocate for less content, as you seem to think that a single EX and a fight or two of Savage every four months are enough for midcore players, even though you've clearly demonstrated you don't even know what that kind of player actually wants.

Either way, I'm out. Take care.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

See... the fact that you're comparing those two in the same sentence tells me that you really have no idea what midcore means to the people who want that kind of content.

As for your questions: Yeah, I have completed Bozja and Eureka. I don't have all the big fish, and I've got to floor 70 in HoH but that's about it, since going higher as a SCH is a bit on the... ehem, hardcore side of things. I do have a bunch of Animas, some of them made when the content was current, but not all of them as they, well... require a lot of investment and time. And I'm sorry, but the fact that you're judging Eureka as a whole without even engaging with the content is making it hard to take you seriously and further cements the fact that you have no idea what a midcore player actually wants. So yeah, I figured you wouldn't even have your Elemental Armor, and I was right.

It's a bit sad that you advocate for less content, as you seem to think that a single EX and a fight or two of Savage every four months are enough for midcore players, even though you've clearly demonstrated you don't even know what that kind of player actually wants.

Either way, I'm out. Take care.

I said I didn't complete the relic. I've been all the way to hydatos. I just never found the content engaging.





All these definitions are are about time investments. You have to set a limiter on the period though, or it becomes hazy.



For me, the limiter is weekly. How often do you do x content per week?



Relics are casual, you don't need to spend tons of time per week to get them all.



EX fights don't take much time either. They can be done casually.



I'm what I consider a midcore savage player. I spend roughly 7 hours a week in savage. No more. Hardcore players do twice that a day the first week of savage.



I don't advocate for less content. I'm just presenting that you have more available content than you think you do.

[DiaDeem]

I said I didn't complete the relic. I've been all the way to hydatos. I just never found the content engaging.

My mistake then, and apologies for that. Sorry you didn't find the content engaging, but... that's pretty much the bulk of what Midcore players want, and I know because I'm one of them.

I'm what I consider a midcore savage player. I spend roughly 7 hours a week in savage.

Well, that's fair but... that's the point: Your think Savage is midcore, so it's no wonder you happen to find EX easy as well, but that's not the content midcore players want. Your engagement is still with hardcore content.

I'm just presenting that you have more available content than you think you do

I said this before, but I'll say it again: Even if we went with your definition of midcore, you're telling me that one EX and two SVG fights every four months is somewhat enough?

Sorry, but I think I fundamentally disagree with almost everything you've said, and I still believe you don't understand what a midcore player wants, as you're mostly (per your own words) a Savage player mostly.

Still, sorry for assuming you didn't even do Hydatos, that's on me.

[CNitsah]

I did every bozja relic. It was very casual.

That's where you problem is. You really think casual players have done all the relics. Even one? Hell no. If that's your idea of a casual player, you're wrong.

Casual, midcore and hardcore content are short term for "content for casual players, midcore players and hardcore players". It sure is easy enough content, but that doesn't make it casual. I think midcore content is not only about difficulty, but also accessibility and time commitment asked. It's the way you play the content that determine what it is. I like the the bozja example : running it once for the storyline is casual content, running it to get all the field notes, or working or your relic is midcore content.