What is Midcore? Why does it matter?

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Steps of faith was different, the fight was terribly designed and you hit its fail condition like 5 minutes before the enrage but if you failed it you couldn’t wall yourself

Basically in the original version you had to hit the dragon with both of the dragon killers. This happened at about 4 minutes into the fight, if you missed either of them (because the execution of said mechanics was wonky and unintuitive you basically just had to stand there and wait for him to walk all the way to end of the arena and destroy the last barrier which would cause a wipe

Chrysalis is a better example of an older trial being a legit challenge for people when it was on content because it was well designed and had some interesting mechanics, steps of faith was always terribly designed

Chrysalis is actually really easy. People still don't understand how it works, but it's easy.

There's one set of orbs you don't have to pop, because they spawn the sprites.

You pop sprint and Def and offensive cds before getting sucked in the middle, and you don't need the lb3 to kill the tear.
But people fall back on that as a crutch every time. Oh well.

As for savage being midcore, it is. And I say this as someone who has not cleared the tier yet because p12s is kicking my statics collective ass. If it was hardcore content, it would take hardcore statics longer than a day or two to clear it. Simple as that.

Eureka is not midcore. It's the definition of casual content. Same with bozja.

[Supersnow845]

Chrysalis is actually really easy. People still don't understand how it works, but it's easy.

There's one set of orbs you don't have to pop, because they spawn the sprites.

You pop sprint and Def and offensive cds before getting sucked in the middle, and you don't need the lb3 to kill the tear.
But people fall back on that as a crutch every time. Oh well.

As for savage being midcore, it is. And I say this as someone who has not cleared the tier yet because p12s is kicking my statics collective ass. If it was hardcore content, it would take hardcore statics longer than a day or two to clear it. Simple as that.

Eureka is not midcore. It's the definition of casual content. Same with bozja.

That’s exactly what I’m saying, you can’t judge savage being midcore based on the fact that the 5% statics clear it in a day, if you look at the way the playerbase skews, what content people engage in and how difficult people find content based on who engages with it then middle of the road extremes are about the hardest you could still call midcore content

Ultimates (especially the EW ultimates) have really shifted the window for what people who engage with them think is the average of the general playerbase

[DiaDeem]

Eureka is not midcore. It's the definition of casual content. Same with bozja.

I don't think you understand what midcore even means.
We're talking about content that doesn't put you to sleep, requires a certain level of commitment, has a long progression system you can get invested into, and it's something you can do for a long while in the game.

Casual content doesn't require any of this. You don't commit to anything, there's no real long term progression, and there's nothing inciting you to ever come back if you don't want to. Roulettes, MSQ Dungeons, MSQ Trails, etc.

Difficulty doesn't define what kind of content you're doing, rather how much commitment that content requires from you. Of course difficulty plays a part, but it's hardly the only thing.

I'm curious. Do you have your completed Elemental Armor?

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I don't think you understand what midcore even means.
We're talking about content that doesn't put you to sleep, requires a certain level of commitment, has a long progression system you can get invested into, and it's something you can do for a long while in the game.

Casual content doesn't require any of this. You don't commit to anything, there's no real long term progression, and there's nothing inciting you to ever come back if you don't want to. Roulettes, MSQ Dungeons, MSQ Trails, etc.

Difficulty doesn't define what kind of content you're doing, rather how much commitment that content requires from you. Of course difficulty plays a part, but it's hardly the only thing.

I'm curious. Do you have your completed Elemental Armor?

Nope. I hated eureka. Haven't even finished a relic in there. It's still casual content tho. The weapons were ugly imo, and so was the armor. No reason to do it and none of my friends were really into it either.



There's no real commitment to it. You never have to go back if you don't want to.



I've done potd to 200, hoh to 100. Haven't done the latest deep dungeon because I just haven't had time.



I did every bozja relic. It was very casual. Worked on it bit by bit over the years it was relevant before endwalker released.



EX trials require very little commitment and the time investment isn't much either. Less than a stint in eureka.

[DiaDeem]

Do you have your completed Elemental Armor?

Nope.

Yeah, I figured..

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Yeah, I figured..

Not sure what that has to do with anything.



Have you completed bozja? Do you have all the big fish? Have you done potd or hoh to 200 and 100 respectively?


Do you have multiple arr relics? All of the Heavensward ones?

[DiaDeem]

Have you completed bozja? Do you have all the big fish?

See... the fact that you're comparing those two in the same sentence tells me that you really have no idea what midcore means to the people who want that kind of content.

As for your questions: Yeah, I have completed Bozja and Eureka. I don't have all the big fish, and I've got to floor 70 in HoH but that's about it, since going higher as a SCH is a bit on the... ehem, hardcore side of things. I do have a bunch of Animas, some of them made when the content was current, but not all of them as they, well... require a lot of investment and time. And I'm sorry, but the fact that you're judging Eureka as a whole without even engaging with the content is making it hard to take you seriously and further cements the fact that you have no idea what a midcore player actually wants. So yeah, I figured you wouldn't even have your Elemental Armor, and I was right.

It's a bit sad that you advocate for less content, as you seem to think that a single EX and a fight or two of Savage every four months are enough for midcore players, even though you've clearly demonstrated you don't even know what that kind of player actually wants.

Either way, I'm out. Take care.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

See... the fact that you're comparing those two in the same sentence tells me that you really have no idea what midcore means to the people who want that kind of content.

As for your questions: Yeah, I have completed Bozja and Eureka. I don't have all the big fish, and I've got to floor 70 in HoH but that's about it, since going higher as a SCH is a bit on the... ehem, hardcore side of things. I do have a bunch of Animas, some of them made when the content was current, but not all of them as they, well... require a lot of investment and time. And I'm sorry, but the fact that you're judging Eureka as a whole without even engaging with the content is making it hard to take you seriously and further cements the fact that you have no idea what a midcore player actually wants. So yeah, I figured you wouldn't even have your Elemental Armor, and I was right.

It's a bit sad that you advocate for less content, as you seem to think that a single EX and a fight or two of Savage every four months are enough for midcore players, even though you've clearly demonstrated you don't even know what that kind of player actually wants.

Either way, I'm out. Take care.

I said I didn't complete the relic. I've been all the way to hydatos. I just never found the content engaging.





All these definitions are are about time investments. You have to set a limiter on the period though, or it becomes hazy.



For me, the limiter is weekly. How often do you do x content per week?



Relics are casual, you don't need to spend tons of time per week to get them all.



EX fights don't take much time either. They can be done casually.



I'm what I consider a midcore savage player. I spend roughly 7 hours a week in savage. No more. Hardcore players do twice that a day the first week of savage.



I don't advocate for less content. I'm just presenting that you have more available content than you think you do.

[CNitsah]

I did every bozja relic. It was very casual.

That's where you problem is. You really think casual players have done all the relics. Even one? Hell no. If that's your idea of a casual player, you're wrong.

Casual, midcore and hardcore content are short term for "content for casual players, midcore players and hardcore players". It sure is easy enough content, but that doesn't make it casual. I think midcore content is not only about difficulty, but also accessibility and time commitment asked. It's the way you play the content that determine what it is. I like the the bozja example : running it once for the storyline is casual content, running it to get all the field notes, or working or your relic is midcore content.