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    Quote Originally Posted by R041 View Post
    1. Commitment: More involved than casual, but I won't need to strictly set time aside longer than 30 minutes a session. (Can I fit a short CSGO match in?)

    2. Complexity: It's got depth and engagement, but I shouldn't need a guide to understand it. I should be allowed the range to think and act to the best of my ability, or play at my lowest. (Tired after work)

    3. Accessibility: Easy barrier to entry, don't gatekeep me, let me play on my terms. Don't force me to sit in queue for long, or juggle PF.

    4. Social: Team up with others or friends anytime, calendars not required. Hop-in / Hop-out.

    5. Progression: Steady and diverse rewards that won't make me feel left out. Keep the rewards and progression engaging.

    6. Flexibility: Play it my way - Instructions not included, not enforced. So what if I wanna just res people?
    You want content that requires no time commitment, communication, or coordination. You want to play your worst and still succeed with great rewards.

    You are describing casual content.

    The more I hear from people wanting "midcore" content the more it seems like they're actually just casual players who don't want to identify as casual for whatever reason.

    Quote Originally Posted by LittleImp View Post
    I almost think we should just ditch the terminology altogether; There's enough discourse on these forums to demonstrate that casual/midcore/hardcore are not only subjective, but also regularly change definitions respective to the scope of what is being discussed .... I've started to just say things like "We need more content like X" or "Content like X but with the difficulty of Y" because the subjectivity around 'midcore' is too confusing in many cases.
    Agreed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CidHeiral View Post
    You want content that requires no time commitment, communication, or coordination. yOU Want tO play YouR wOrST AND Still sUccEED wiTH gReAt rEWARdS.

    You know that's not what I meant.

    The rewards should match the effort and challenge, without requiring excessive commitment and premades. That's the whole issue. Nobody's even saying Mid should receive the same rewards as the hardest content. lol



    Quote Originally Posted by Xirean View Post
    I'd have to agree with Cid. Your definition of Mid does sound lower than Mid.
    Does that mean MSQ content is lower than Casual?

    I love seeing the tryhards in here acting like anyone that can't actively run premade group content is basically a sub-human casual. This is the weird split we have, you have to be a tryhard, or you stand in line with Visual Novel AFKers. It's not a good look for the community.
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    Last edited by R041; 09-12-2023 at 08:58 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R041 View Post
    You know that's not what I meant.
    Quote Originally Posted by R041 View Post
    [*]Complexity: It's got depth and engagement, but I shouldn't need a guide to understand it. I should be allowed the range to think and act to the best of my ability, or play at my lowest. (Tired after work)
    Interesting approach to create a discussion thread and then reply to discussion with spongebob memes like a petulant baby.

    Quote Originally Posted by R041 View Post
    The rewards should match the effort and challenge, without requiring excessive commitment and premades.
    Which is Extreme Trials. If you're saying we should have more content equivalent to Extreme Trials, I agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CidHeiral View Post

    Which is Extreme Trials. If you're saying we should have more content equivalent to Extreme Trials, I agree.
    How's current extremes any different than floor 1/2 savage? (excluding p10s as it's even harder than p11s lmao)

    If you want to classify that as midcore then there's still a huge gap between casual content and midcore content that's unaddressed.
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    Might need some alcohol to get through this thread...