What is Midcore? Why does it matter?

[Xirean]

I feel like the terms serve little value. Partially because casual is less a category a more an insult.

As far as content goes I can't really see Extremes working as anything other than above "middle". The first ones a new player gets access to can be very demoralizing given the leap in difficulty. Ramuh EX alone is just a wall if people haven't properly understood mechanics that most players at 90 would consider baseline.

-Don't stand next to tanks
-Pay attention to personal aoes
-Pay attention to the debuffs of other players
-After certain moves don't stand in specific map sections with no aoe telegraph
-Prioritize adds

Then it also has a tank swap and a tether that you don't get rid of with distance changes. That's a lot compared to every dungeon and trial before it.

[Tint]

Kind of funny that original PotD fits all those criteria.

It was a mistake to reduce the "casual" floors in the later deep dungeons to 30 while we only ran 21-30 for the gind.

They essentially removed the deep dungeon from the broader mass and made it an harder content where you need a fixed party over several days. Not approachable.

Also by removing the 100 casual floors they also removed the 1-100 solo achievment which probably was midcore content. 1-200 is too hardcore for most players.

[CidHeiral]

1. Commitment: More involved than casual, but I won't need to strictly set time aside longer than 30 minutes a session. (Can I fit a short CSGO match in?)
   
   
2. Complexity: It's got depth and engagement, but I shouldn't need a guide to understand it. I should be allowed the range to think and act to the best of my ability, or play at my lowest. (Tired after work)
   
   
3. Accessibility: Easy barrier to entry, don't gatekeep me, let me play on my terms. Don't force me to sit in queue for long, or juggle PF.
   
   
4. Social: Team up with others or friends anytime, calendars not required. Hop-in / Hop-out.
   
   
5. Progression: Steady and diverse rewards that won't make me feel left out. Keep the rewards and progression engaging.
   
   
6. Flexibility: Play it my way - Instructions not included, not enforced. So what if I wanna just res people?

You want content that requires no time commitment, communication, or coordination. You want to play your worst and still succeed with great rewards.

You are describing casual content.

The more I hear from people wanting "midcore" content the more it seems like they're actually just casual players who don't want to identify as casual for whatever reason.

I almost think we should just ditch the terminology altogether; There's enough discourse on these forums to demonstrate that casual/midcore/hardcore are not only subjective, but also regularly change definitions respective to the scope of what is being discussed .... I've started to just say things like "We need more content like X" or "Content like X but with the difficulty of Y" because the subjectivity around 'midcore' is too confusing in many cases.

Agreed.

[R041]

You want content that requires no time commitment, communication, or coordination. yOU Want tO play YouR wOrST AND Still sUccEED wiTH gReAt rEWARdS.

You know that's not what I meant.

The rewards should match the effort and challenge, without requiring excessive commitment and premades. That's the whole issue. Nobody's even saying Mid should receive the same rewards as the hardest content. lol

I'd have to agree with Cid. Your definition of Mid does sound lower than Mid.

Does that mean MSQ content is lower than Casual?

I love seeing the tryhards in here acting like anyone that can't actively run premade group content is basically a sub-human casual. This is the weird split we have, you have to be a tryhard, or you stand in line with Visual Novel AFKers. It's not a good look for the community.

[ty_taurus]

Trying to categorize content into casual, midcore, and hardcore is inherently flawed because it lacks nuance. I understand wanting to be able to quickly and accurately describe the type of gameplay experience certain types of content offer either to describe what you're looking for or to recommend things to friends or new players, but I think we could do a better job at describing different types of content by breaking down casual, midcore, and hardcore just a little further:

Fast Food: The Taco Bell type content. The kind of content that has little-to-no bar of entry. You get in, you get out, and you're done. Think a drive through--instant gratification for minimal effort and minimal cost.

Fast Casual: The Chipotle type content. You want to put in a little more time in exchange for a little more quality, but the experience is still quick and to-the-point. You have the option to sit down for a little while, but you generally don't stay there long.

Cafe Style: The hipster coffee shop type content. You want something light and modestly priced, but you want to stay and linger. You aren't in a rush to leave, rather, you want to stick around and enjoy the atmosphere.

Restaurant Style: The sit-down restaurant type content. This is where you want to make a commitment. You're here to invest your time for a higher quality experience, but one that also doesn't require an aggressive amount of preparation. There's no dress code, and the cost is still quite manageable.

Fine Dining: The dress code restaurant type content. This is for those who want an experience, and will pay the cost to have it. Here, there's an expectation of you--a dress code. You can't roll up in jeans and a T-shirt; you need to look the part, and you're going to take all the time you want to get the most out of your time there.

[Xirean]

You know that's not what I meant.

I'd have to agree with Cid. Your definition of Mid does sound lower than Mid.

[ChonkGoblinSuprem]

lmao thx for doing your part to ensure that SE never takes these posts seriously

[CidHeiral]

You know that's not what I meant.

[*]Complexity: It's got depth and engagement, but I shouldn't need a guide to understand it. I should be allowed the range to think and act to the best of my ability, or play at my lowest. (Tired after work)

Interesting approach to create a discussion thread and then reply to discussion with spongebob memes like a petulant baby.

The rewards should match the effort and challenge, without requiring excessive commitment and premades.

Which is Extreme Trials. If you're saying we should have more content equivalent to Extreme Trials, I agree.

[Berkin]

Which is Extreme Trials. If you're saying we should have more content equivalent to Extreme Trials, I agree.

How's current extremes any different than floor 1/2 savage? (excluding p10s as it's even harder than p11s lmao)

If you want to classify that as midcore then there's still a huge gap between casual content and midcore content that's unaddressed.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Hyurs are the base, the core if you will, of most of our player races. And they are very mid. Therefore, they are midcore.

Bonus points for Midlander Hyur. Midmidcore.