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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    What about miasma 2, a damage skill that was a massive DPS gain to use but had such a high MP cost that it was impossible to keep 100% uptime on it

    I think interacting with MP more is something the game really needs
    What about it being a Faerie skill that uses Faerie Gauge? It's a toggle, and then if you run out of Faerie Gauge it starts to eat at your MP like Lost Font of Magic. It'd give the Gauge a bit more of a purpose as well as add two things of management to think about. I kinda like that idea, though by then it's not Miasma 2 anymore, but something new.

    But yeah, sounds fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiaDeem View Post
    What about it being a Faerie skill that uses Faerie Gauge? It's a toggle, and then if you run out of Faerie Gauge it starts to eat at your MP like Lost Font of Magic. It'd give the Gauge a bit more of a purpose as well as add two things of management to think about. I kinda like that idea, though by then it's not Miasma 2 anymore, but something new.

    But yeah, sounds fun.
    I would actually support a self buff that works like lost font (but with a much weaker MP drain since you need ethers to survive the MP drain font imposes) or a skill that does the same thing (say a DOT that you can turn on an off at will that drains MP to maintain) but I’m not sure if it should work with fairy gauge

    I’ve always said that in the world of 5.0 SCH the fairy gauge should handle the healing since even though I like the current aetherflow system requiring choice in your healing decisions I know it’s wildly unpopular, that was dissipation also becomes a healing tool again, not just a gimped spreadlo amplifier
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I’ve always said that in the world of 5.0 SCH the fairy gauge should handle the healing since even though I like the current aetherflow system requiring choice in your healing decisions I know it’s wildly unpopular, that was dissipation also becomes a healing tool again, not just a gimped spreadlo amplifier
    For the people who think Aetherflow should only be used for healing, I only have one thing to say to them.

    SGE is right there. You can play it. Addersgall is purely for healing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    For the people who think Aetherflow should only be used for healing, I only have one thing to say to them.

    SGE is right there. You can play it. Addersgall is purely for healing.
    I know that but I’m looking at the wider community here (I think the amount I speak about how much I hate the modern healers speaks for itself at this point)

    I personally hate how addersgall is only used for healing, anytime I take SGE into alliance raids I almost OOM because I hate using druachole on myself to maintain mana

    My idea would more centre on aetherflow giving you 3 stacks of energy drain and then energy drain could be used in a variety of different circumstances to either give more fairy gauge or more damage based on when it’s used, then the aetherflow heals can be moved to the fairy gauge alongside seraph, blessing, whispering dawn and illumination

    Like say if SCH had 3 DOT’s
    0 DOT’s up- 1 ED= 40 gauge, no damage
    1 DOT up- 1 ED= 30 gauge, 100 damage
    2 DOT’s up- 1 ED= 20 gauge, 200 damage
    2 DOT’s up- 1 ED= 10 gauge, 300 damage

    So you could use the off burst aetherflow to store gauge and the on burst aetherflow for more damage

    Of course nothing about this is refined just a random idea to remove that aetherflow is janky
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    Last edited by Supersnow845; 09-14-2023 at 01:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I would actually support a self buff that works like lost font (but with a much weaker MP drain since you need ethers to survive the MP drain font imposes) or a skill that does the same thing (say a DOT that you can turn on an off at will that drains MP to maintain) but I’m not sure if it should work with fairy gauge

    I’ve always said that in the world of 5.0 SCH the fairy gauge should handle the healing since even though I like the current aetherflow system requiring choice in your healing decisions I know it’s wildly unpopular, that was dissipation also becomes a healing tool again, not just a gimped spreadlo amplifier
    I like your ideas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    I've always said that the healer role as it is now looks like it was designed from the perspective of the person being healed instead of making it fun for the healer player. If you view the design from that lens, everything the team has done to the healer role will make sense in a twisted way.
    I have always stood by the fact that the way the devs design healers is that they are dps thinking what healers need (they play healers but don't main them) but don't consider what healers actually need at the time.
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    I miss Shadowflare and having 3 DOTs.
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    "A good RPG needs a healthy dose of imbalance."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I know that but I’m looking at the wider community here (I think the amount I speak about how much I hate the modern healers speaks for itself at this point)

    I personally hate how addersgall is only used for healing, anytime I take SGE into alliance raids I almost OOM because I hate using druachole on myself to maintain mana
    I wasn't aiming that at you, I saw you saying you like how Aetherflow works. I'm just saying that this wider community that thinks Aetherflow should only be used for healing should not be catered to or entertained in any way, because SGE exists and it gives them exactly what they want. I don't want the job ruined by people who have another job that gives them exactly what they want already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    I wasn't aiming that at you, I saw you saying you like how Aetherflow works. I'm just saying that this wider community that thinks Aetherflow should only be used for healing should not be catered to or entertained in any way, because SGE exists and it gives them exactly what they want. I don't want the job ruined by people who have another job that gives them exactly what they want already.
    On the flipside, as someone in the Sage camp, I hate the -choles. I wanted my main method of healing to be through interacting with Kardia, not standard OGCD heals that have ridiculously short cooldowns on a resource system more generous than Sweden's healthcare system.
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    I miss having all those DoTs. I didn't play Scholar in those days, but I did play Arcanist/Summoner. Before level 30, Arcanist was the best class in the game IMO. You could do anything! Do all the damage, heal, and have your topaz carby tank for you. With cross-class skills, you could have so many damage over time effects. I think you could take Aero from White Mage and Thunder from Black Mage. Good times!
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