G-give it Back T---T; !! (Scholar Edition)

[Renathras]

No, you actually did not answer me, I checked the thread for days after I asked the question, it just devolved into an argument about whether or not SGE is "damage-focused". It was in the "healers want complex dps" thread. But at least you answered Roe, so that's good enough.
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SGE would. I only mentioned increasing healing complexity, which you expressed you'd be ok with, I didn't say a thing about changing the dps portion, so you'd still be spamming Dosis like now.

Searching through that entire thread, haven't found it.

I DID find where I kinda stuck up for you. You didn't even acknowledge that, though. You instead kind of justified other people accusing me OF it and then didn't acknowledge my stepping in to your defense. But whatever.

We also got into a conversation where you were saying that no one thinks of people that liked pre-5.0 healers, and I pointed out that I do and consistantly advocate for them (the entire reason I suggest returning SCH and AST both to their SB kits), and you eventually seem to have grudgingly acknowledged I wasn't doing that but still felt it was a solid defense against me...not...doing that. For reasons. Though you did say after that that you weren't opposing my position outright and thought leaving SGE alone would be fine but that you thought people wouldn't agree with it since it was "because it's what SE calls the dps healer", which, of course, everyone else in the thread took me replying to you using the phrase "more damaged focus" as license to dogpile on me (funny how little it takes for people to decide to dogpile on me and derail threads, almost like they're looking for any excuse they can get...) and the thread went sideways.

I can't find, though, anywhere you asked me about the optional complexity of SGE going up. Was this the post you were referring to?

Maybe you skipped over when I said it, but I said I'm amiable to your solution if SGE is left as is, because SGE was designed in EW, it has never known any past iteration that people fell in love with, so no one is actually losing out on anything. So I never actually opposed your solution, I'm not someone you have to convince. If we can't have a skill ceiling on every healer, I can settle with keeping SGE as it is, I'm not ok with throwing WHM under the bus once again given their history of being bad.

You'll have massive trouble convincing everyone else to leave SGE as is though, because it's what SE calls the dps healer, also the lore behind it is that it's very complex. Not that SE cares about the lore anymore, given that the lv30 AST quest still says The Bole has a protective effect.

If so, I replied to it, rather quickly:

It is a conundrum. I think the disagreement there stems from SGE being more damage focused (as you point out) and about WHM being thrown under the bus. Far as I'm concerned, WHM post-6.1 is honestly the best it's ever been. ARR would be but for Cleric Stance being such a disaster, but it's runner up due to the fact it wasn't a big deal at the time anyway. It would be weird for the "dps focused" healer Job to be the least DPS rotation of them, but it would still be a passable solution.

Of course, the problem still remains that if people won't allow for that, then WHM would be the other logical choice.

So where did you ask me Roe's question and I not answer?

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Now, if you hold the position you did IN THAT THREAD (not here) that SGE remains AS IT IS TODAY: Then yes, that would satisfy the 4 Healers Model. And I even said so right there in that quote:

It would be weird for the "dps focused" healer Job to be the least DPS rotation of them, but it would still be a passable solution.

"passable solution" here meaning "Yes, that would work".

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For the record:

I like all the healers right now EXCEPT for AST, since I don't like it's APM insanity and hyperweaving, especially since I prefer more hard GCD focus, which is why I like WHM that is its opposite. I don't care much for SCH's Energy Drain using AF and a bit heavy on the button bloat, but I like the Job in a more general sense for the most part. I like WHM as it is now a lot, and like SGE mostly as it is now as probably my second favorite. I'd like it if it was a bit different in a few ways, but it's close enough for me to like it. (I REALLY wish Toxicon was damage neutral, though. That and Plegma being near melee range really bug me for some reason...)

Personally, I suspect SE, if they did any major changes at all, probably WOULD leave WHM and SGE both as they are now ("why mess with a good thing"; WHM is generally well liked right now and WHM and SGE are generally speaking the most played healer Jobs) while changing SCH and AST. We're likely to see what direction they plan to go with healers with the AST rework, so really there's little point discussing things until we see the preview of what that looks like, probably in the third Fanfest/Media Tour or thereabouts, as that's when we saw new SMN back before EW.

From there, we'll have a better idea of what they seem to want healers to become (if SGE somehow didn't tell us that already) and how extensive they're willing to make changes and what direction they're willing to make changes towards/into.